Sorry. Where is Mojoko currently living?
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Sorry. Where is Mojoko currently living?
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Mojoko it´s death, he dies in 1997 (Dec.8) in Amsterdam; cause of death Shigella
Gorillas Galore - Captive Gorilla Lists - Stud Book
Mojoko it´s death, he dies in 1997 (Dec.8) in Amsterdam; cause of death Shigella
Gorillas Galore - Captive Gorilla Lists - Stud Book
According to the 'Gorillas Galore' site(+ another source) Mojoko has one daughter 'Chuma,'(born 8.11.96 in Artis) and now in the Heidleberg group. The mother 'Dafina' was Mojoko's half-sister so 'Chuma' has inbreeding.
At the time, the breeding silverback in the Amsterdam group was the elder Tembo. Is not Tembo the sire instead?
Mojoko was a young adult black-back at the time ... Seems rather peculiar to me (hence me questioning the data here)!!
Seems a bit odd to me two but two seperate census list Mojoko as the father of 'Chuma'. Maybe a DNA test was done to establish paternity?
A 'Blackback' fathering offspring while living in a Silverback's group isn't unknown- its happened at Howletts in the past and also more recently in the Basel group with a (then) extremely young male.
Hello Pertinax,
I know the various examples of blackbacks breeding in their natal group under the gun of the resident silverback ... too. It be interesting to compare the individual circumstances of the Howletts and Basel cases.
Where it concerns the Amsterdam Zoo, I would love to get some official confirmation. Will look into the affair here ...!
Jelle
In Howletts the blackbacks were together with their father. That was not the case in Basel, Amsterdam, Arnheim, Apeldoorn, These males were unrelated.
Remember Chuma being born in Stuttgart. Mother now living in Amsterdam. But at the time of birth of course also living in Stutgart. Did she go pregnant to Stutgart, became she pregnant at Stutgart, was Mojoko a resident male at Stutgart at the time of fathering, or has brought one of the keepers his sperm from Amsterdam to Stutgart?
Remember Chuma being born in Stuttgart. Mother now living in Amsterdam. But at the time of birth of course also living in Stutgart. Did she go pregnant to Stutgart, became she pregnant at Stutgart, was Mojoko a resident male at Stutgart at the time of fathering, or has brought one of the keepers his sperm from Amsterdam to Stutgart?
Chuma was born at Amsterdam, not Stuttgart. She was taken to the Stuttgart nursery for handraising. Later she was sent to Heidleberg.
Mojoko was living in Artis group with silverback'Tembo' and females including 'Dafina'(halfsister of Mojoko) who was the mother of 'Chuma'.
Hi Jelle.
Usually silverbacks prevent such activity by a younger male if they can. I know one case at Howletts involved the younger male 'Biju' living in Bitam's group. He fathered a baby with 'Kabinda', a female his father Bitam showed no interest in. She only became pregnant after Biju became fertile. Probably Bitam did not object to them pairing.
At Basel, the male 'Viatu' was very young- only about 6+. My guess is he would play exuberantly with 'Wima'(the mother)who was his nearest-aged companion. Their play then turned into mating which maybe the silverback Kisoro didn't notice.
Perhaps it was a similar situation to one or the other above, in Artis with Tembo/Mojoko/Dafina?
Tembo was a rather robust silverback and a proven breeder. Mojoko was a more recent introducee with Dafina and the female Shinda. Mojoko was eventually taken out ... perhaps due to antagonistic behaviour from the silverback 
confused: will go an check on this). This all happened way before the bacterial/viral outbreak that killed Tembo et al.
After Tembo, Amsterdam had 2 no good silverbacks as you will know (Kumba and Ivo) and only with the new silverback Akili has it gone the way it should have been ... I reckon that within another good 3 years or so we can welcome a further set of gorilla babies.
confused: will go an check on this). This all happened way before the bacterial/viral outbreak that killed Tembo et al.After Tembo, Amsterdam had 2 no good silverbacks as you will know (Kumba and Ivo) and only with the new silverback Akili has it gone the way it should have been ... I reckon that within another good 3 years or so we can welcome a further set of gorilla babies.
Tembo was a rather robust silverback and a proven breeder. Mojoko was eventually taken out ... perhaps due to antagonistic behaviour from the silverback
Presumably that means when the two males died Mojoko was not in the group anymore? Artis went from success (the Tembo era) to a period of failure( the Kumba and Ivo eras) and back to success again(Akili era). Like you say, I'm sure they will carry on breeding now if they are allowed to do so.
I don't understand why Berlin have not replaced Ivo yet. I think the plan is to keep him with the old females and bring in a new male for potential breeding. Its a better idea than trying to reintegrate him into the Loro Parc male group.
I am sure reintegrating him to a bachelor group won`t work since he has already showed that he is too agressive towards other males. This has probably only got worse after having his own harem for years... I am not sure what Berlin`s plans with Ivo are, they are currently doing construction work in the great ape house at the moment and I don`t think they will get a new male before that is finished.
I`ve just read that Bobby/London died. So there a serveral positions as a group leader open at the moment - in London, in Twycross, in Berlin. Did I forget anyone? It`s a pitty that the young males who are really genetically important (from La Valle des Singes and from Givskud Zoo) are still a bit too young.
I`ve just read that Bobby/London died. So there a serveral positions as a group leader open at the moment - in London, in Twycross, in Berlin. Did I forget anyone? It`s a pitty that the young males who are really genetically important (from La Valle des Singes and from Givskud Zoo) are still a bit too young.
1. Pretty sure Berlin plan to keep Ivo with Gigi & Fatou and bring in a new male for the younger females.
2. Don't forget my friend 'Nasibu' in Kolmarden- he is from a VERY under-represented line, particularly the maternal side and IS the correct age.
3. Three zoos in Uk are/will be in line for new males; Twycross, ZSL and Blackpool(transfer in process).
4. Three possible males in UK which could fill the vacancies are; Boulas(at Belfast-but he needs a new home, Kesho(at Dublin) Kumbuka(at Paignton) however new males are perhaps as likely to be chosen from within Europe.
taun
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Unless the zoos get on with the owners, it is doubtfull. (Unless a huge contribution cold be made).
The main problem with the Port Lympne males is they are nearly all from well represented breeding lines but Port Lympne seem happy to let the odd one go if its to a zoo they support (example; Boulas at Belfast, several males to zoos in France & one to Apenheul).
Probably not to London though...
Three of the males in their larger group are also fullbrothers of Belfast 'Boulas' so genetically its the same if he was sent to another group. However as he hasn't bred at Belfast his fertility is questionable so he may be a risk on that point alone..
If these Zoos apply through the EEP for new males then maybe they are selected from the main EEP population anyway.
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