Smithsonian National Zoo Smithsonian National Zoo: General Discussion

Andrew_NZP

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So the main news thread has recently had a lot of discussion about the zoos history, and not much actual news, so I'm creating this to divert that discussion away from that thread, and into this thread. This way people that want to can have a place to talk about the zoos history (or anything regarding the zoo really, discuss your hopes for the future I don't care), while leaving the other thread for posts/discussion about, well, as the title suggests, news.
 
Out of curiosity, has anyone had success seeing the clouded leopard? I have never seen one in the enclosure, regardless of time, weather, or crowds. I can't tell if they are just off-exhibit much of the time or have a hiding place that I can't get a visual on.
 
Out of curiosity, has anyone had success seeing the clouded leopard? I have never seen one in the enclosure, regardless of time, weather, or crowds. I can't tell if they are just off-exhibit much of the time or have a hiding place that I can't get a visual on.

I saw it back in 2015 when I visited this zoo.
 
Out of curiosity, has anyone had success seeing the clouded leopard? I have never seen one in the enclosure, regardless of time, weather, or crowds. I can't tell if they are just off-exhibit much of the time or have a hiding place that I can't get a visual on.

Yes, in the past I've usually eventually found an adult and the cubs are there during the posted times (though sometimes not closer to the end of the times, if they tire themselves out).
 
I see the adult female (never been able to see the cubs) every once in a while. I think only once or twice was she actually moving, normally shes sleeping in a tree. Could just be hiding, and you weren't able to spot her.

Now the sloth bears however......
 
I see the adult female (never been able to see the cubs) every once in a while. I think only once or twice was she actually moving, normally shes sleeping in a tree. Could just be hiding, and you weren't able to spot her.

Now the sloth bears however......

I think I've seen the sloth bears once in 20 years, and I almost always check for them since it's an easy exhibit to get to (I always go to the cheetahs and maned wolves). I never even bother to look for the Andean bears after years of not seeing them.
Something else I've only ever seen once, many years ago: an orangutan on the O line.
 
Now the sloth bears however......
I think I've seen the sloth bears once in 20 years, and I almost always check for them since it's an easy exhibit to get to (I always go to the cheetahs and maned wolves). I never even bother to look for the Andean bears after years of not seeing them.

Interesting comparisons. I also think I've only seen the sloth bears once. I don't have trouble with the Andean bears, though; I see at least one on almost every visit.
 
There was a sloth bear that used to love to sit by the glass and play with people. I watched as he (or she) and a little kid ran back and forth along the glass for a good minute.

I like the sloth bears, but I personally think a more active species would be a better use for their exhibit. First exhibit you see on Asia Trail (assuming you enter through the Connecticut Ave. entrance), and the animal is rarely out.
 
Out of curiosity, has anyone had success seeing the clouded leopard? I have never seen one in the enclosure, regardless of time, weather, or crowds. I can't tell if they are just off-exhibit much of the time or have a hiding place that I can't get a visual on.

I saw the cubs on New Year's Day, but my picture was very distant, so I didn't post it. I think the former momma sloth bear that paced the glass was Hana, and I haven't seen a bear since. I don't have a problem seeing the spectacled bears, but I have NEVER seen an orang on the O-line. If it weren't for pictures depicting it, I'd be very skeptical that they actually use it. And on NYD, the keepers had swapped Mei Xiang and Tian Tian's yards, perhaps just for the day, to give to them the enrichment of different smells.

Finally, to round out the bears, when I went exploring the old Smokey grottos (which I discovered later had actually been divided into TEN grottos at one timeo_O), I saw an assortment of about 8 Smokey signs from decades going back 75 years. I found this very interesting, a kind of hidden treasure that I've never seen, because, without animals, I skip that whole path. I made the mistake of trying to get a sign and the exhibit in each picture, so the thumbnails of the ones I posted look ridiculous, with the signs mostly out of the frame.
 
I like the sloth bears, but I personally think a more active species would be a better use for their exhibit. First exhibit you see on Asia Trail (assuming you enter through the Connecticut Ave. entrance), and the animal is rarely out.

I feel the same way, but interestingly, former vet and director Lucy Spellman was absolutely beside herself with excitement during the planning of Asia Trail at the thought of sloth bears being the first thing visitors from CT Avenue would see. She went on and on about how exciting they would be to watch. Between this and bypassing the Smokey grottos for many years, I hadn't even remembered that there were already sloth bears at the zoo when Asia Trail opened. Spellman made it seem as if this would be a brand new experience for the zoo.
 
  • As long as it's not too cold out, I think the senior female clouded leopard (Mook) has access to the exhibit. They have a cave in front now that she likes to sleep in (most likely it's heated). If she's willing to go off exhibit and the cubs aren't sleeping, then the cubs will go on around 10:30 AM.
  • Sloth bears can definitely be a miss. I always find early in the morning, around 9:30 AM is the best time to see them. But I know one was having health issues recently and I feel if it it's rainy they don't go out either. The real problem is you have to hope they go in the open air exhibit. When they go on the side all surrounded by bird friendly graphic windows, it's a beast to try to see them.
  • I find the best time to see at least one Andean bear is during their snack time at 11 AM. Quito is usually out then. Billie Jean is now able to, not denning up anymore, but it's usually a quite bite and back down the stairs. Their keeper said they usually like being out when its in the 60s.
 
I know pandas have a different climate tolerance, but because of the habitat design, they are always visible. Even in the heat of the summer, those air conditioned open grottos directly facing the visitor enable their visibility. One way they made room for so many species in Asia Trail was by building all the keeper areas and indoor habitats underneath the outdoor exhibits, This was fascinating to watch, seeing the skeletons of entire buildings that later disappeared under the outdoor areas and visitor paths. However economical this was spacewise, though, it meant that we could never look down on the sloth bears and see the entire exhibit. As a result, they were not always visible even when outside, also because there is no incentive for the bears to hang out near the spectators.

It would help a lot if the pathways could be elevated, but it takes a lot of winding pathway, such as what they've already utilized in Asia Trail, to achieve a higher elevation without the grade becoming too steep. What they could do is put heaters and ACs emanating from the visitor windows, build play structures and resting areas with radiant heat or mist cooling, and place their favorite enrichment items and food to forage for all along the line of visibility. With considerable control over the climate along the entire face of the exhibit, keepers could simply have the bears go out every day without giving them a choice. Put big termite mounds at the glass that can be refilled from below. I think all of this would be required if we ever have a chance of seeing sloth bears at all, let alone frolicking and playing the way Spellman envisioned. As of now, the empty exhibit does just the opposite of exciting visitors right off CT Avenue.

I wonder what ZooPlantMan would recommend for this exhibit?
 
I saw the clouded leopard cubs when I went at the listed time (10:30ish AM) a couple weeks ago. I got there around 10 and they were out for a while, jumping and climbing on the fence and stalking little kids.

I asked the info aide about the sloth bears and she said one is sick and the other doesn't like to go out into the habitat without her. Wasn't able to get more details but this is what she said.
 
Have Shanti and Ambika been on exhibit/viewable to the public in recent weeks? Really hoping to see them one more time :(
 
Has anybody seen Ambika and Shanthi since New Year's Day? How are they doing?
I was there two days ago and saw Ambika, Shanti and Bozie in the ECC. Marie the elephant manager was doing some foot work on Ambika in the ECC and Shanti was with her as well as Bozie in the section where Spike is normally kept.. They look to be doing well, or as well as they can be. Ambika was dragging her front feet when she walked more so than usual. And Shanti has spots where they were treating abscesses on her feet due to her arthritis. I have ALOT of pictures (And a video of them vocalizing with Spike) I can post of them if you'd like, however I'd have to be directed as to where to post them because I am new here.
 
I was there two days ago and saw Ambika, Shanti and Bozie in the ECC. Marie the elephant manager was doing some foot work on Ambika in the ECC and Shanti was with her as well as Bozie in the section where Spike is normally kept.. They look to be doing well, or as well as they can be. Ambika was dragging her front feet when she walked more so than usual. And Shanti has spots where they were treating abscesses on her feet due to her arthritis. I have ALOT of pictures (And a video of them vocalizing with Spike) I can post of them if you'd like, however I'd have to be directed as to where to post them because I am new here.

Thank you so much for all of this information. Ambika definitely sounds as if her legs are bothering her more than when I was there six weeks ago. Her arthritis seems to have worsened so quickly compared to 20+ years for Shanthi. My heart breaks for Shanthi; I've never seen visible abscesses on her feet before..... You used the plural--both feet had abscesses? I'm so reassured to hear that they were vocalizing with Spike; they really enjoy his presence, so that must have been real fun for them.

I am a fossil with electronics, so I'm far from the best on how to post photos or videos. Go up to the top of the page, and hear the left on the menu bar, it says "media" with a red ballooned number beside it. If you click that, it will take you to the media section, and there's a bar near the top to click to ADD MEDIA. Then you use a drop-down menu that goes on forever to label your entries Smithsonian National Zoo. Sometimes it allows me to do 5 at a time, sometimes only 1; I've never posted a video, although there is one I should post. It's of Marie spotting some problems on Ambika's feet that needed to be trimmed with the grinder. The only way to do it is to prevent Ambika from realizing this is happening, so she had another keeper doing the grinding, and she tried to position herself in such a way as to keep Ambika from seeing her own foot and realizing there was work being done! It got really hysterical when Ambika seemed certain that she was hearing the grinder, so Marie not only was moving all around, she was using the clicker used as a sign of positive reinforcement about once every two seconds! She explained as she did all of this that Ambika wasn't being THAT good, Marie just needed to drown out the grinder or Ambika would realize what was happening and leave!

There is a rule that we shouldn't usually post more than one photo of a species, but I have posted quite a few of the NZP elephants. I think the moderators understand that NZP folks are watching these two very closely and won't delete any, especially if you label them with their names. Thanks again for taking the time to post this.
 
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