Mixed species enclosures and other changes for Burgers Zoo

Mr Gharial said:
And if we take out the secretarybird?
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So you rather want two aviaries with a species that's already functionally extinct in zoos than an amazing raptor species which has a viable ESB and is searching for more breeding zoos? Not only that, but a species that's going completely against the philosophy of Burgers' of not keeping wild-caught animals unless there is no realistic alternative (like with most saltwater fish) or unless it's with the realistic purpose of establishing a self-sustaining captive population (which is extremely unlikely to happen with shoebill). And unlike your shoebill, for which I still expect problems in aviaries the size of the mangrove, they get along fine with vultures.

So yeah, I wouldn't risk putting the shoebill in there in the first place but I kinda doubt there is more risk than with the other species. In both aviaries, I estimate the chances of breeding them to be very low but maybe they will at least let the other species live and breed.
 
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German Zoo World said:
I have some new ideas

1. Flamingo tongue snail, Queen angelfish,Royal gramma, French angelfish


2. Nassau grouper ,Southern stingray,Caribbean Reef shark,Great barracuda, Lemon shark,Atlantic nurse shark,Greater hammerhead shark, Green sea turtle, Atlantic Tarpon



3. Copper rockfish,Bat ray, California Sheephead,Torpedo ray,Flag rockfish,Rainbow scorpionfish,Giant sea bass,Ocean sunfish,Garibaldi fish, Wolf eel,Leopard shark
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Is this for the wadden area? Because we already finished that one
 
Mr Gharial said:
Because the pelicans are barely visible and don't have an aviary
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Are they not visible from the balcony outside of the bush? Also you don't need to have them in an aviary, you only need it for better chances of breeding and from what jarne has said there really isn't much interest to do that.
 
Westcoastperson said:
Are they not visible from the balcony outside of the bush? Also you don't need to have them in an aviary, you only need it for better chances of breeding and from what jarne has said there really isn't much interest to do that.
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The balcony is rather high up, and the pelicans are difficult to see from there. Along with that, not many people know that there's animals down there. And Jarne says that wing-cutting is not happening anymore. So for birds, an aviary is needed
 
Say, what would the chances be of getting a nine banded armadillo to Burgers zoo?

They're in one zoo in spain (Parque Zoologico Marcelle Natureza), but I don't know how many they have or if they're breeding
 
Mr Gharial said:
Say, what would the chances be of getting a nine banded armadillo to Burgers zoo?

They're in one zoo in spain (Parque Zoologico Marcelle Natureza), but I don't know how many they have or if they're breeding
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Very low, I doubt they would want to stretch their breeding group especially to a place as cold as the netherlands
 
Mr Gharial said:
Well, it will be an inside enclosure of course, and what would be the chances of getting them from the America's?
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Also unlikely as there aren't many I know of that have them and ZooInstitutes only has one in the US (there are probably one or two more as they miss some species)
 
Westcoastperson said:
Also unlikely as there aren't many I know of that have them and ZooInstitutes only has one in the US (there are probably one or two more as they miss some species)
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Well, from a quick google search I can already see san diego zoo, Cosley zoo, Brevard zoo, Utah's hogle zoo and Oklahoma zoo safari. So I'm pretty sure there's more than that
 
Mr Gharial said:
Well, from a quick google search I can already see san diego zoo, Cosley zoo, Brevard zoo, Utah's hogle zoo and Oklahoma zoo safari. So I'm pretty sure there's more than that
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I'm sorry I should have done a google search first, I even checked a San Diego zoo species list because I could have sworn they had them. It would still be difficult to ship them across the Atlantic and you would have to find a zoo willing to give theirs but it's possible.
 
Westcoastperson said:
I'm sorry I should have done a google search first, I even checked a San Diego zoo species list because I could have sworn they had them. It would still be difficult to ship them across the Atlantic and you would have to find a zoo willing to give theirs but it's possible.
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Well, the bighorn sheep were shipped in from America too, as well as the ringtails. I'm guessing both of those would be a lot more difficult to transport.
 
There is a (semi) walkthrough with shoebills at Tampa's Lowry Park Zoo

"the Zoo turned its North Lake into a giant free-flight aviary featuring dozens of greater African flamingos, great white pelicans, shoebill storks, yellow-billed storks, white-breasted cormorants and a group of ring-tailed lemurs on an island"

And they even bred successfully!
 
Mr Gharial said:
Well, from a quick google search I can already see san diego zoo, Cosley zoo, Brevard zoo, Utah's hogle zoo and Oklahoma zoo safari. So I'm pretty sure there's more than that
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They also have them at Weihai Shendiaoshan wildlife park

nine-banded armadillo - ZooChat

It's not the best zoo, but we can assume they also have them in other spots in Asia

They also have a walrus walkthrough, which is pretty cool
 
Shoebills in walkthrough enclosures are perfectly safe! Kobe animal kingdom in Japan keeps them in a smaller enclosure (in comparison to our mangrove dome-sized aviary) and in a full walkthrough with multiple other birds, lemurs, and even an antelope or deer species

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Mr Gharial said:
Shoebills in walkthrough enclosures are perfectly safe! Kobe animal kingdom in Japan keeps them in a smaller enclosure (in comparison to our mangrove dome-sized aviary) and in a full walkthrough with multiple other birds, lemurs, and even an antelope or deer species

Google Maps
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They also have a walkthrough with large tortoises, so I think that one should be fine too
 
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