ZooChat Challenge Global 2022

Couple of questions...

Apterygiformes (Kiwis)
Strigiformes (Owls)
Podargiformes (Frogmouths)
Amongst parrots there are several nocturnal or cathemeral species. Kea and Kaka are both active at night, as are some Australian species like Bourke's parakeets. Do specific night-active parrots count for the challenge?

Within the list above, there are animals which will not count:
In Gekkota, Phelsuma (day geckos)
Do other diurnal gecko genera count or not count? e.g. Naultinus from New Zealand.


Also, this doesn't help me at all, but what about hippos? Both species are very much nocturnal.
 
Couple of questions...


Amongst parrots there are several nocturnal or cathemeral species. Kea and Kaka are both active at night, as are some Australian species like Bourke's parakeets. Do specific night-active parrots count for the challenge?


Do other diurnal gecko genera count or not count? e.g. Naultinus from New Zealand.


Also, this doesn't help me at all, but what about hippos? Both species are very much nocturnal.

So this is part of why we chose to accept that our list is imperfect. I did review parrots as an option to include, however I chose not to count them because I figure it might get complicated picking specific species here and there. We're willing to allow the New Zealand parrots (family Nestoridae) to count if player are so inclined, but I don't really want to start picking out specific species within a genus or family to either allow or not allow. I think it gets a little too challenging to remember everything if we have too many examples like "the Bourke's Parrot will now count, but the Neophema species don't", etc.

Similarly, we know that there are other diurnal geckos, such as Naultinus, Lygodactylus, Gonatodes, and Sphaerodactylus (the latter three of which are fairly commonly found in captivity). We chose to only discount Phelsuma regardless due to this family in particular being more well-known to more members as well as being arguably the most common zoo gecko genus. The "day geckos" were just too obvious to allow in, basically. So yes, your New Zeland geckos can count despite not being nocturnal.

The hope was that where we needed to compromise and allow diurnal species for simplicity's sake would make up for where we needed to exclude some nocturnal species.

As for hippos, that is another family I overlooked by mistake. Hippos do count for the challenge.

If you wouldn't mind editing the main post to add the two family's to the list of admissible animals, I'd appreciate it. Thanks for the questions! :)

~Thylo
 
Bay Beach Wildlife Sanctuary - January 1 2022
1. Snowy Owl Bubo scandiacus
2. Northern Saw-whet Owl Aegolius acadicus
3. Barred Owl Strix varia
4. Great Horned Owl Bubo virginianus
5. Long-eared Owl Asio otus
6. Eastern Screech-Owl Megascops asio

I'm winning!
Jack R. Facente Serpentarium - January 2 2022
7. Virginia Opossum Didelphis virginiana
8. American Alligator Alligator mississippiensis
 
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We're willing to allow the New Zealand parrots (family Nestoridae) to count if player are so inclined
I'm so inclined, but it's hardly going to give me any advantage so I'm fine with "no parrots at all". If I see a Kakapo I might ask again though...


So yes, your New Zeland geckos can count despite not being nocturnal.
Yay for me!
 
Cincinnati Zoo and Botanical Gardens - 2 January, 2022

  1. Western Grey Kangaroo (Macropus fuliginosus)
  2. Tawny Frogmouth (Podargus strigoides)
  3. Aardwolf (Proteles cristata)
  4. Palawan Binturong (Arctictis binturong whitei)
  5. Common Vampire Bat (Desmodus rotundus)
  6. Aardvark (Orycteropus afer)
  7. Indian Flying Fox (Pteropus giganteus)
  8. Greater Bushbaby (Otolemur garnetti)
  9. Clouded Leopard (Neofelis nebulosa)
  10. Black-Footed Cat (Felis nigripes)
  11. Arabian Sand Cat (Felis margarita harrisoni)
  12. Large-Spotted Genet (Genetta tigrina)
  13. Fennec Fox (Vulpes zerda)
  14. Southern Brazilian Ocelot (Leopardus pardalis mitis)
  15. Malayan Tiger (Panthera tigris jacksoni)
  16. Snow Leopard (Panthera uncia)
  17. American Alligator (Alligator mississippiensis)
  18. American Crocodile (Crocodylus acutus)
  19. Arctic Fox (Vulpes lagopus)
  20. Aye-Aye (Daubentonia madagascariensis)
  21. Mexican Grey Wolf (Canis lupus baileyi)
  22. Barred Owl (Strix varia)
  23. Bennett's Wallaby (Macropus rufogriseus)
  24. Linneaus's Two-Toed Sloth (Choloepus didactylus)
  25. Brazilian Porcupine (Coendou prehensilis)
  26. African Lion (Panthera leo)
I'm winning!
No you aren't.
 
Not sure exactly how many species in European zoos are possible for this challenge, but there are three zoos which are far above the rest of Europe (and probably the rest of the world too) and I suspect most can guess which they are. Their tallies are 143, 110 and 90 respectively and the next best after them on ZTL is Night Safari with 55, followed by Berlin with 49. In short, anyone visiting Czechia and Moscow has essentially won this challenge :P.
 
Chester Zoo- 03.01.2022

1. African wild dog (Lycaon pictus)
2. Aardvark (Orycteropus afer)
3. Goodfellow's tree-kangaroo (Dendrolagus goodfellowi)
4. Sumatran tiger (Panthera tigris sumatrae)
5. Central African cheetah (Acinonyx jubatus soemmeringii)
6. Asiatic lion (Panthera leo persica)
7. Bush dog (Speothos venaticus)
8. Linnaeus' two-toed sloth (Choloepus didactylus)
9. Jaguar (Panthera onca)
10. African pygmy mouse (Mus minutoides)
11. Acacia rat (Thallomys paedulcus)

Once the Tropical Realm is back open, that should help my total grow a little more :p
 
And just like that, 2021 is now done. Hopefully this year had it’s moments full of positivity and happiness for everyone on the forum, as it did for me :). With restrictions regarding the global pandemic loosening in 2021, hopefully we all visited more zoos than we did in 2020? I know I sure did (I actually think I’ve visited the most zoos I’ve visited in a year…ever? Not sure though.).

This year, I will be joined by @ThylacineAlive as he returns to host the tenth installment of the global challenge along with me.

2021’s challenge revolved around miscellaneous mammals. With 2022’s, you may be able to start tonight, as our theme is nocturnal animals. I will not that this is not a perfect list on what animals are nocturnal, and some non-nocturnal animals will be included, as we are determining the eligibility of species based off the ‘general consensus’ of how nocturnal a group of animals are. However, there will be some noted exceptions. The following animals count in this year’s challenge:

Monotremidae (Monotremes)
Marsupialidae (Marsupials)
Orycteropodidae (Aardvark)
Tenrecidae (Tenrecs)
Xenarthra (Armadillos, anteaters, and sloths)
Gliridae (Dormice)
Hystricidae (Old World Porcupines)
Erethizontidae (New World Porcupines)
Castoridae (Beavers)
Heteromyidae (Kangaroo-rats)
Pedetidae (Springhares)
Dipodidae (Jerboas)
Calomyscidae (Mouse-like hamsters)
Nesomyidae (Malagasy rats and pouched rats)
Cricetidae (Hamsters, voles, lemmings, deer mice, and muskrat)
Muridae (Spiny mice, gerbils/jirds, Old World mice/rats)
Leporidae (Rabbits and hares)
Dermoptera (Colugos)
Cheirogaleidae (Dwarf and mouse lemurs)
Daubentoniidae (Aye-Aye)
Lorisoidea (Loris and galagos)
Tarsiidae (Tarsiers)
Aotus (Night-monkeys)
Erinaceidae (Hedgehogs)
Chiroptera (Bats)
Hippopotamidae (Hippos)
Tragulidae (Chevrotains)
Pholidota (Pangolins)
Nandiniidae (African Palm-Civet)
Prionodontidae (Linsangs)
Viverridae (Civets and genets)
Hyaenidae (Hyaenas)
Felidae (Cats)
Canidae (Dogs and foxes)
Mephitidae (Skunks)
Procyonidae (Raccoons, coatis, cacomistles, and kinkajou)
Mustelidae (Weasels, badgers, otters, etc.)
Apterygiformes (Kiwis)
Strigiformes (Owls)
Podargiformes (Frogmouths)
Gekkota (Geckos)
Crocolydia (Crocodiles, alligators, and gharials)

Within the list above, there are animals which will not count:

  • In Marsupialidae, numbats
  • In Mustelidae, otters
  • In Gekkota, Phelsuma (day geckos)

Aside from these three exceptions from the list above, there is an additional stipulation which must be addressed, the Owl Rule.

Some nations such as the United Kingdom have significantly higher numbers of owl species in their zoos and owl centres, which is an automatic advantage over other players. So, in the case of owls, players may only count owls that are native to the continent they are in. For example, North American players can count only North American species, and European players can only count European species. However, if a North American player visits a European zoo, European species would count for them, yet any North American species seen in a European zoo would not count for that North American Player. Make sense? Let us know if you have concerns.

Disclaimer: As of now, IUCN taxonomy will be used for a general reference. Any taxonomic debate will be discussed on a case-by-case basis.

Rules are as follows:


1. You have to actually see the animal, even if just for a second. You don't score if you visit a collection but don't see the animal (harsh, but fair);

2. Proof via photographs is not required, your word is your bond;

3. All entries must be presented in numbered list form, with scientific names included (simply to make it easier to keep track of and to avoid uncountable species being slipped in due to vagueness);

4. You have to see the animal via normal public access (zookeeper for the day or photography days behind the scenes do not count) during normal public opening hours (i.e. no scoring because you know the keeper and can get access before/after hours). Basically the species has to be seen as Joe Public would;

5. Any severely limited opening or private collections don't count for this challenge. Controversial yes, but see previous point and it isn't fair to include a handful of days these collections might be open to the public as this might logistically disadvantage a large number of people;

6. Only public zoological collections, museums, public park displays, etc. count, animals seen at farms or pet stores do not count;

7. Report/update your progress on this thread as you go along;

8. Only one subspecies per species can be counted;

9. Controversial entries due to splits will be discussed on a case-by-case basis;

10. Domestics do not count, the animals must be in a wild form. You can count a species that's been domesticated just as long as the animal you're looking at isn't;

11. Hybrid animals do not count;

12. Wild animals do not count, all species must be seen in captivity under all the conditions listed above;

13. Anyone caught severely violating any of the above rules and/or participating in extremely unsportsmanlike conduct on or even off the forum is subject to disqualification (these are made for fun, by all means take them seriously but please do not ruin the fun for anyone else. I do not expect to have any problems, but I've added this in just in case);

14. Any issues with any of the above rules is open to discussion but the rules are set and any decisions made are final;

15. Apart from the unlikely event that someone gets to see all the species potentially viewable by 12/31/22, the winner will be deemed to be the person who's seen the most at that date.


Thank you to @Shorts for the concept of the challenge and the general rules format.

I think that’s all I have to say. Have fun, stay safe, and good luck!
I picked the wrong year to visit Cincy and Memphis, didn't I? :rolleyes:
This looks to be a very interesting challenge and includes some of my favorite taxa. Good luck to all competitors!
 
Linton Zoo 2nd January

1 Lion (Panthera leo)
2 Tiger (Panthera tigris)
3 Snow Leopard (Panthera uncia)
4 Scottish wildcat (Felis silvestris)
5 European Barn Owl (Tyto alba)
6 Eurasian Eagle Owl (Bubo bubo)
7 Binturong (Arctictis binturong)
8 Cape porcupine (Hystrix africaeaustralis)
9 Parma Wallaby (Notamacropus parma)
10 Red-necked Wallaby (Notamacropus rufogriseus)
11 Red Kangaroo (Osphranter rufus)

Hopefully a few more to add tomorrow...

Hamerton 3rd January

12 Long nosed Potoroo (Potorous tridactylus)
13 Squirrel Glider (Petaurus norfolcensis)
14 Common Wombat (Vombatus ursinus)
15 Ground Cuscus ( Phalanger gymnotis)
16 Aarwolf (Proteles cristata)
17 Greater Grison (Galictis vittata)
18 White bearded palm civet (Paguma larvata)
19 Tayra (Eira barbara)
20 Maned wolf (Chrysocyon brachyurus)
21 Canadian lynx (Lynx canadensis)
22 Jaguarundi (Herpailurus yagouaroundi)
23 Oncilla (Leopardus tigrinus)
24 Serval (Leptailurus serval)
25 Cheetah (Acinonyx jubatus)
26 Giant anteater (Myrmecophaga tridactyla)
27 Linnaeus two toed sloth (Choloepus didactylus)
28 Black backed jackal (Canis mesomelas)
29 Corsac Fox (Vulpes corsac)
30 Eurasian harvest mouse (Micromys minutus)
31 Fat sand rat (Psammomys obesus)
32 Spinifex hopping mouse (Notomys alexis)
33 Tawny frogmouth ( Podargus strigoides)
34 Snowy Owl (Bubo scandiacus)

Missed a few, hopefully I will get them on my next visit in a month or two!
 
Clarification on owls - would holarctic species, such as the Snowy Owl and Great Grey Owl, count for both North America and Europe? I wasn't sure on the latter in particular, but it does occur in Finland so it's technically European.
 
Not sure exactly how many species in European zoos are possible for this challenge, but there are three zoos which are far above the rest of Europe (and probably the rest of the world too) and I suspect most can guess which they are. Their tallies are 143, 110 and 90 respectively and the next best after them on ZTL is Night Safari with 55, followed by Berlin with 49. In short, anyone visiting Czechia and Moscow has essentially won this challenge :p.

@amur leopard do Not forget Frankfurt and its exlecent Nocturnal House.
 
Sorry I forgot to add this to my last post

I left off Canis dingo from my Hamerton list as I noticed ZTL now classifies this as domestic so wasn't sure if it could be counted or not? Please could this be clarified. Thanks
 
Clarification on owls - would holarctic species, such as the Snowy Owl and Great Grey Owl, count for both North America and Europe? I wasn't sure on the latter in particular, but it does occur in Finland so it's technically European.

If they occur in both, they count in both! The Great Grey Owl counts for Europe.

Sorry I forgot to add this to my last post

I left off Canis dingo from my Hamerton list as I noticed ZTL now classifies this as domestic so wasn't sure if it could be counted or not? Please could this be clarified. Thanks

While I do not agree with the IUCN's taxonomy when it comes to Dingos, it is the standard all the challenges seem to be following and therefore I will remain consistent with that here. For now, I am going to consider the Dingo a domestic and therefore inadmissible, however I reserve the ability to change that decision upon further discussion with both @ZooBinh and @Coelacanth18 since the taxa is relevant to his challenge as well.

Basically, if anyone sees a Dingo, keep note of it, but don't submit it just yet.

~Thylo
 
Sounds like a fun mix. Not sure how many zoos I'll get to, certainly probably won't get out of the UK, but by my calculations - assuming I removed all the right animals and counted the European owls properly - there are still 200+ I could see.

Good luck to everyone who takes part.
 
My challenge started yesterday with a nice visit to Hamerton, with @pipaluk for company:

1. Long nosed Potoroo (Potorous tridactylus)
2. Squirrel Glider (Petaurus norfolcensis)
3. Common Wombat (Vombatus ursinus)
4. Aarwolf (Proteles cristata)
5. Greater Grison (Galictis vittata)
6. White bearded palm civet (Paguma larvata)
7. Tayra (Eira barbara)
8. Maned wolf (Chrysocyon brachyurus)
9. Canadian lynx (Lynx canadensis)
10. Jaguarundi (Herpailurus yagouaroundi)
11. Oncilla (Leopardus tigrinus)
12. Serval (Leptailurus serval)
13. Cheetah (Acinonyx jubatus)
14. Giant anteater (Myrmecophaga tridactyla)
15. Linnaeus two toed sloth (Choloepus didactylus)
16. Black backed jackal (Canis mesomelas)
17. Corsac Fox (Vulpes corsac)
18. Eurasian harvest mouse (Micromys minutus)
19. Fat sand rat (Psammomys obesus)
20. Spinifex hopping mouse (Notomys alexis)
21. Tawny frogmouth ( Podargus strigoides)
22. Snowy Owl (Bubo scandiacus)
23. Tiger (Panthera tigris)
24. Binturong (Arctictis binturong)
25. Parma Wallaby (Notamacropus parma)
26. Red-necked Wallaby (Notamacropus rufogriseus)
 
BANHAM ZOO - 7/1/2022

1. Red Kangaroo (Osphranter rufus)
2. Cheetah (Acinonyx jubatus)
3. Margay (Leopardus wiedii)
4. Pallas' Cat (Otocolobus manul)
5. Sri Lankan Leopard (Panthera pardus kotiya)
6. Amur Tiger (Panthera tigris altaica)
7. Snow Leopard (Panthera uncia)
8. Common Barn Owl (Tyto alba)
9. Great Grey Owl (Strix nebulosa)
10. Snowy Owl (Bubo scandiacus)

There's a few names missing, either due to not being visible or accessible. I'll have to come back once houses open up again.
 
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