Australasian Colobine Population

@Zoofan15 @Zorro Whatsmore before his (last Western PF)'s export to Edinburgh Zoo in mid 2005 the remaining PF langurs had been off public display at the zoo for about/almost six years which really think was a shame but obviously it was due to limited exhibits being available, Tonkean macaque trio/later duo same fate (off display fate I mean, weren't exported, believe all three died off in their off-display enclosure), interestingly one of PZ's Tonkeans had the captive longevity record of 28 years! but sorry Colobine thread lol).
 
Zorro said:
@tetrapod One would believe if they had a very successful breeding group that they would of been looking at the future breeding direction 2 years or 5 years or even longer and not to end up dwindling down to one last male and now the same direction Adelaide find themselves in currently
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There are always numerous factors at play. When the group was successfully producing young, these offspring would eventually need to be placed somewhere else. At the time (late 80s/early 90s), Melbourne had Javans, Adelaide had Dusky and Dubbo had the remnant Hanumans. There were no other zoos wanting to take on surplus stock (maybe Adelaide had some hence their presence at one point). All langurs can be tricky to look after and I'm aware that there were some issues with the Perth group. Don't recall the exact details but there was a sudden loss of key individuals including the breeding male. By the the end (when I worked with them mid 90s) the group was limited to an elderly female and a young male. Acquisition of new stock was difficult and by that time the region was committed to Francois. It had nothing to do with it being a highly endangered species or not. In the end it was sensible to relocate the viable male to a collection that had other individuals. Unfortunately Perth has never followed through with acquiring Francois langurs. And that's the problem of regional planning and sticking with it...
 
steveroberts said:
@Zoofan15 @Zorro Whatsmore before his (last Western PF)'s export to Edinburgh Zoo in mid 2005 the remaining PF langurs had been off public display at the zoo for about/almost six years which really think was a shame but obviously it was due to limited exhibits being available, Tonkean macaque trio/later duo same fate (off display fate I mean, weren't exported, believe all three died off in their off-display enclosure), interestingly one of PZ's Tonkeans had the captive longevity record of 28 years! but sorry Colobine thread lol).
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I thought the Tonkeans went to Cairns? And 28 years isn't bad, but nothing spectacular for a macaque.
 
Zorro said:
This is my question, where is the forward planning?, If future importation is going to be difficult why not export the animals they have to a overseas holder and help them rather than sit on a dwindling population to fizzle out helping no one?. Adelaides duskys are in the same boat as far as I can tell?.
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As mentioned in the other response, the demise of the langur group was rapid thus the zoo was left with a mere handful of individuals. Rules, administration and direction changes. Long-term collection planning in zoos was barely getting started during the 90s.
 
steveroberts said:
@Zoofan15 @Zorro Whatsmore before his (last Western PF)'s export to Edinburgh Zoo in mid 2005 the remaining PF langurs had been off public display at the zoo for about/almost six years which really think was a shame but obviously it was due to limited exhibits being available, Tonkean macaque trio/later duo same fate (off display fate I mean, weren't exported, believe all three died off in their off-display enclosure), interestingly one of PZ's Tonkeans had the captive longevity record of 28 years! but sorry Colobine thread lol).
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tetrapod said:
I thought the Tonkeans went to Cairns? And 28 years isn't bad, but nothing spectacular for a macaque.
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Cairns Wildlife Safari only ever held Japanese and Sulawesi macaque to my knowledge.

There were comments on here from 2008 about Perth’s Sulawesi macaques being sent to Tasmania, but then you added you believed the Sulawesi macaque had been housed in a bear pit that was renovated for their use and that it was the two Tonkean macaques that were transferred out, which seems more likely given there was only two.

In a later post, you noted the Japanese macaque from Perth were sent to Cairns.
 
Zoofan15 said:
Cairns Wildlife Safari only ever held Japanese and Sulawesi macaque to my knowledge.

There were comments on here from 2008 about Perth’s Sulawesi macaques being sent to Tasmania, but then you added you believed the Sulawesi macaque had been housed in a bear pit that was renovated for their use and that it was the two Tonkean macaques that were transferred out, which seems more likely given there was only two.

In a later post, you noted the Japanese macaque from Perth were sent to Cairns.
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Sulawesis did end up in the ex-Syrian bear enclosure - it wasn't ever a bear pit! Now has otters and binturong. I think some macaque individuals did end up in Tasmania (either they were split off the main group or the remnant from Cairns?). Must have been getting old by then.
 
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The Tonkeans may have gone to Cairns, it doesnt state exactly which of the Tonkean trio it was who lived to 28 so it perhaps was the female who died at Perth at that age and the two males went to Cairns (though even using the archive 'waybackmachine' site when Cairns/Mareeba opened in '03 and in the following years they never advertised on their website that they held a couple of Tonkeans, though they did advertise their Sulawesi Crested Macs). To be honest have become quite fascinated for about a year now as to the fate of the last two Tonkeans at Perth, but have avoided bombarding them with another email just yet as think they probably groan when they see another question enquiry email from me as have sent a lot to them over last five years lol (though was going to bide time a bit to give the zoo staff a 'rest' and then try email some questions to them again down the line)
 
Abbey said:
I do wonder whether the slowdown in breeding is related to the fact that many of the animals in Australia (particularly those originating from Melbourne) are subspecific hybrids. The population thread notes that the females imported to Adelaide in 2020 are purebreds, and the recent annual report from Zoos SA indicates they are being paired with the males for breeding (unsure if the males are purebreds or hybrids).

Were colobus ever displayed at Monarto, or were they housed off-display? Colobus were included in the Monarto masterplan in 2015, although I'm not sure whether Zoos SA plans to house them at both sites going forward, or whether the move to Adelaide (as an African rainforest species potentially to be alongside gorillas in the future) is simply a swap between the two campuses.

(Also, more than happy to continue this discussion in another thread if it's more on-topic elsewhere.)
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The females at Adelaide are being paired with two Monarto born males (who were offspring of a male from the US and Adelaide born females). The Monarto born males are probably hybrids too.

I believe they were kept off display at Monarto - and I believe their future will solely be at Adelaide, with Monarto potentially picking up other primate species down the line.
 
0.1 Adale the Eastern Black-and-white Colobus (born in 2010 at La Vallée des Singes, France) successfully gave birth to a healthy infant at Adelaide Zoo on 30th January. The infant is only four days old but is the first successful birth of this species in the region since 2015 - reported on social media.
 
WhistlingKite24 said:
0.1 Adale the Eastern Black-and-white Colobus (born in 2010 at La Vallée des Singes, France) successfully gave birth to a healthy infant at Adelaide Zoo on 30th January. The infant is only four days old but is the first successful birth of this species in the region since 2015 - reported on social media.
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Absolutely wonderful news for the regional breeding program; it's exciting to see some births again. Hopefully the older female (Zamba) will conceive soon, and hopefully Kipenzi at Melbourne too.
 
WhistlingKite24 said:
0.1 Adale the Eastern Black-and-white Colobus (born in 2010 at La Vallée des Singes, France) successfully gave birth to a healthy infant at Adelaide Zoo on 30th January. The infant is only four days old but is the first successful birth of this species in the region since 2015 - reported on social media.
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Confirmed with Adelaide, and they believe the father is Jasiri.:)
 
WhistlingKite24 said:
0.1 Eastern Black-and-white Colobus has been born at Canberra to 1.0 Colin (from Melbourne) and 0.1 Halle (born at Canberra in 2015). This is the zoo’s first colobus birth in seven years and is the second colobus born in the region following the Adelaide female earlier in the year. The infant has been named Aida: Two new arrivals at the Canberra zoo | Canberra CityNews
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Brilliant news to see continuing success with this species who many presumed were on their way out!

Hopefully Kipenzi at Melbourne can get it done soon to give the region Colobus births at each of the three respective breeding facilities.
 
Jambo said:
Brilliant news to see continuing success with this species who many presumed were on their way out!

Hopefully Kipenzi at Melbourne can get it done soon to give the region Colobus births at each of the three respective breeding facilities.
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Did not the Adelaide zoo import 3 females from France about one year ago?
 
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