The Future of Zoos Victoria 2024 (Speculation/Fantasy)

I'd love to Komodo Dragons there, and I feel like the current Tasmanian Devil enclosures of decent size for Komodo Dragons.

Clouded Leopards could potentially find a place in the Trail of the elephants once the elephants leave, or they could even make use of the area next to the Red Pandas which I agree is a nice, secluded section of the zoo for them.

Komodo dragon would be a good fit for this area and it’s be nice to see either a reptile or a bird (bird of prey) complimenting the predominantly mammal based precinct. They could potentially house a breeding pair depending on the needs of the region.

I find it surprising a zoo of Melbourne’s status doesn’t hold Komodo dragons, especially considering they’re held by nine Australian facilities.
 
Komodo dragon would be a good fit for this area and it’s be nice to see either a reptile or a bird (bird of prey) complimenting the predominantly mammal based precinct. They could potentially house a breeding pair depending on the needs of the region.

I find it surprising a zoo of Melbourne’s status doesn’t hold Komodo dragons, especially considering they’re held by nine Australian facilities.
I like the idea of Komodos where the devils are, Clouded Leopard where the binturong is and binturong moved back to the elephant trail. Of course looking further to the future Sun Bears would be great in the original exhibit meant for them. Couldn’t remember whether Maned Wolf or Dhole were the most popular for the dingo exhibit, but either would be optimal and accessible in the future
 
I like the idea of Komodos where the devils are, Clouded Leopard where the binturong is and binturong moved back to the elephant trail. Of course looking further to the future Sun Bears would be great in the original exhibit meant for them. Couldn’t remember whether Maned Wolf or Dhole were the most popular for the dingo exhibit, but either would be optimal and accessible in the future
That would certainly improve the carnivores precinct by a fair margin!
 
I like the idea of Komodos where the devils are, Clouded Leopard where the binturong is and binturong moved back to the elephant trail. Of course looking further to the future Sun Bears would be great in the original exhibit meant for them.

I was originally tempted to move the otters from TOTE to the Carnviores, but I liked the South East Asian themeing they had going, which is otherwise lacking across Melbourne Zoo (with the exception of the Australian precinct).

In any case, I’m hopeful of seeing an orangutan/otter mixed species exhibit in the future.
 
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Couldn’t remember whether Maned Wolf or Dhole were the most popular for the dingo exhibit, but either would be optimal and accessible in the future

I believe Maned wolf were the favourites due to being a South American species (complimenting African and Asian species); being readily available via the Australasian breeding programme; and due to their suitability to living alone or in pairs. Dholes are pack animals and the size of their pack would be limited by the exhibit at Melbourne.
 
I believe Maned wolf were the favourites due to being a South American species (complimenting African and Asian species); being readily available via the Australasian breeding programme; and due to their suitability to living alone or in pairs. Dholes are pack animals and the size of their pack would be limited by the exhibit at Melbourne.
Weren't they also considering Giant Anteater for the carnivores trail at one point? That would be amazing to see, though they would need an IRA of course. They could even go in a mixed exhibit with Maned Wolves.
 
Weren't they also considering Giant Anteater for the carnivores trail at one point? That would be amazing to see, though they would need an IRA of course. They could even go in a mixed exhibit with Maned Wolves.

That sounds familiar, though like you say, would require an IRA. Maned wolf and Giant anteater would be a highly exciting combination. They cohabit well at the Montgomery Zoo and Greensboro's Animal Discovery Park by all accounts.

After the Hippopotamus IRA, I really hope Xenarthra are next! We deserve sloths in our zoos.
 
Which exhibit was this?
The tiger exhibit apart of the trail.
Weren't they also considering Giant Anteater for the carnivores trail at one point? That would be amazing to see, though they would need an IRA of course. They could even go in a mixed exhibit with Maned Wolves.
Yes! And Komodo Dragons too. Neither ended up eventuating, although you can see why Melbourne were never able to acquire Giant Anteaters - due to the lack of an IRA for them.
 
I would wish for Giraffids in between, but certainly!

New Zealand got that IRA so long ago, I forgot Australia still had to catch up. :p

Seriously though, I really hope some thought will be given to importing via New Zealand if that’s an option. Height of the giraffes could be a challenge (factoring in 12 month quarantine in New Zealand). I’ve had a look back on previous transfers and see several were transferred between NZ/Aus at 15-18 months. Giraffes can be weaned at 5-6 months, but have to remain in the country of birth for 12 months prior to export as per conditions of the IRA, making them a minimum of two years by the time they ship from New Zealand to Australia. Transfers of adults are accomplished inter-state in Australia, suggesting it wouldn’t be impossible.
 
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New Zealand got that IRA so long ago, I forgot Australia still had to catch up. :p

Seriously though, I really hope some thought will be given to importing via New Zealand if that’s an option. Height of the giraffes could be a challenge (factoring in 12 month quarantine in New Zealand). I’ve had a look back on previous transfers and see several were transferred between NZ/Aus at 15-18 months. Giraffes can be weaned at 5-6 months, but have to remain in the country of birth for 12 months prior to export as per conditions of the IRA, making them a minimum of two years by the time they ship from New Zealand to Australia. Transfers of adults are accomplished inter-state in Australia, suggesting it wouldn’t be impossible.
I would like to see our zoos stop breeding hybrid giraffes, then as spaces open up import pure individuals of an agreed species/subspecies and breed those instead. So in a couple of decades there would be no hybrids left.
 
I would like to see our zoos stop breeding hybrid giraffes, then as spaces open up import pure individuals of an agreed species/subspecies and breed those instead. So in a couple of decades there would be no hybrids left.

I too would love to see that. North America focuses on the purebred Masai giraffe (their Reticulated are apparently of dubious heritage), so that seems the best starting point. Either that or Rothschild’s, which are prevalent in European zoos.

With contraception of female giraffes available, it wouldn’t be hard to cease breeding hybrids.
 
And as the wise zoofan15 once told me, Melbourne had already identified an Aardvark for import, which also unfortunately fell through…

That didn’t come from me. Aardvark are not on the live import list and there’s no IRA currently in place to import them. Considering how long an IRA takes to process, I’d be surprised if an individual had been identified prior to the IRA even being started.
 
That didn’t come from me. Aardvark are not on the live import list and there’s no IRA currently in place to import them. Considering how long an IRA takes to process, I’d be surprised if an individual had been identified prior to the IRA even being started.
I just assumed it was you since you pretty much tel me everything, but someone definitely said a male had been identified for import, but fell through exactly because of the IRA
Edit: Okay, I clearly misinterpreted it, but this is what Jambo said last year: ‘It was stage 2 of the carnivores which was following the opening of stage 1 (Lion Gorge) in 2014.

Lion Gorge opened with Lions, African Wild Dogs and Philippine Crocodiles but there were plans for both Giant Anteaters and Aardvarks as well, but unfortunately an IRA could not be completed in time for either. There was a point where Melbourne actually had a male that they were going to import, they just needed the IRA. :mad:

Stage 2 was to follow and open in 2017. It initially was going to have Snow Leopards, Sun Bears and Komodo Dragons (this was prior to the opening of stage 1), and then was later advertised to have Snow Leopards, Spotted Hyenas, Tasmanian Devils and Coatis. Sometime in 2015/2016 Spotted Hyena were then removed from the plans and replaced with Sumatran Tiger. Not sure exactly why, but maybe they just simply decided to hold them at Werribee instead (as is the plan now).

In 2017, stage 2 opened as it currently is with the Snow Leopards, Sumatran Tigers, Coatis and Tasmanian Devils. A fraction of what it was meant to be imo. :rolleyes: Not the first time Zoos Vic have done this - *cough* growing wild *cough*’
 
I just assumed it was you since you pretty much tel me everything, but someone definitely said a male had been identified for import, but fell through exactly because of the IRA
Edit: Okay, I clearly misinterpreted it, but this is what Jambo said last year: ‘It was stage 2 of the carnivores which was following the opening of stage 1 (Lion Gorge) in 2014.

Lion Gorge opened with Lions, African Wild Dogs and Philippine Crocodiles but there were plans for both Giant Anteaters and Aardvarks as well, but unfortunately an IRA could not be completed in time for either. There was a point where Melbourne actually had a male that they were going to import, they just needed the IRA. :mad:

Stage 2 was to follow and open in 2017. It initially was going to have Snow Leopards, Sun Bears and Komodo Dragons (this was prior to the opening of stage 1), and then was later advertised to have Snow Leopards, Spotted Hyenas, Tasmanian Devils and Coatis. Sometime in 2015/2016 Spotted Hyena were then removed from the plans and replaced with Sumatran Tiger. Not sure exactly why, but maybe they just simply decided to hold them at Werribee instead (as is the plan now).

In 2017, stage 2 opened as it currently is with the Snow Leopards, Sumatran Tigers, Coatis and Tasmanian Devils. A fraction of what it was meant to be imo. :rolleyes: Not the first time Zoos Vic have done this - *cough* growing wild *cough*’

It’s interesting how much the plans evolved in the time it took to build the Carnivores precinct:

Sumatran tiger are an unnecessary inclusion imo since the exhibit in TOTE (with BOH facilities) is more than adequate for managing breeding of this species; and in any case, their population across the whole zoo consists of 1.1 ageing siblings. It would have been much better for Malayan sun bear to have taken the place of this exhibit.

Replacing African wild dog with Dingo was a let down; with the precinct now containing two native species.

I personally like the double up of Snow leopard exhibits. The decision was clearly made to continue with breeding this species, which is better served by having two exhibits; with BOH facilities accomodating additional surplus (cubs retained into adulthood etc).

However…

Dedicating the entire Carnivores precinct to African lions and Spotted hyena would have been amazing. Large modern exhibits to house a breeding pride of African lions and a pack of Spotted hyena would have been major crowd-pullers. Lions are a high profile species and never more charismatic when housed in prides. It would also have been an opportunity to highlight their relationship with hyena.

An equally phenomenal precinct containing Snow leopard, Himalayan tahr and Nepalese red panda could have been built on the site of Growing Wild, showcasing the Himalayas landscape. The architecture would have been out of this world. Instead we have a very low-key collection of exhibits.
 
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I just assumed it was you since you pretty much tel me everything, but someone definitely said a male had been identified for import, but fell through exactly because of the IRA
Edit: Okay, I clearly misinterpreted it, but this is what Jambo said last year: ‘It was stage 2 of the carnivores which was following the opening of stage 1 (Lion Gorge) in 2014.

Lion Gorge opened with Lions, African Wild Dogs and Philippine Crocodiles but there were plans for both Giant Anteaters and Aardvarks as well, but unfortunately an IRA could not be completed in time for either. There was a point where Melbourne actually had a male that they were going to import, they just needed the IRA. :mad:

Stage 2 was to follow and open in 2017. It initially was going to have Snow Leopards, Sun Bears and Komodo Dragons (this was prior to the opening of stage 1), and then was later advertised to have Snow Leopards, Spotted Hyenas, Tasmanian Devils and Coatis. Sometime in 2015/2016 Spotted Hyena were then removed from the plans and replaced with Sumatran Tiger. Not sure exactly why, but maybe they just simply decided to hold them at Werribee instead (as is the plan now).

In 2017, stage 2 opened as it currently is with the Snow Leopards, Sumatran Tigers, Coatis and Tasmanian Devils. A fraction of what it was meant to be imo. :rolleyes: Not the first time Zoos Vic have done this - *cough* growing wild *cough*’
Sorry. I'm not sure as to why I included Aardvarks in there; my mind must have been wandering at the time:p. The male I referenced was in fact a Giant Anteater, and it was mentioned on here on zoochat as well if I can remember correctly. He was to brought in from Europe.
 
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