Tiergarten Nürnberg Nuremberg zoo ...to cull twenty five Guinea Baboons

I personally in all my years of working with primates,have never heard of any primates being euthanized using captive bolt pistol and shooting so many would require a silencer

I also wonder how they are going or at least planning to do this. But I would be surprised, If they kill all of them at once and openly in front of the whole group. This sounds potentially traumatizing for intelligent and social animals and they would immediately panick making it highly stressful for everyone involved. But they could separate one or two at a time. I would imagine they have an order in mind anyways, so separating them would make sense. But of course, this is nothing but speculation.
 
I personally in all my years of working with primates,have never heard of any primates being euthanized using captive bolt pistol and shooting so many would require a silencer

In that case it is hard to see how they could euthanise them in a humane way in order to feed them to other animals. Surely it would be disturbing for the members of the Troop to see other baboons being shot.

I’d hope the welfare of the animals being euthanised would be more important than creating dinner.
 
I also wonder how they are going or at least planning to do this. But I would be surprised, If they kill all of them at once and openly in front of the whole group. This sounds potentially traumatizing for intelligent and social animals and they would immediately panick making it highly stressful for everyone involved. But they could separate one or two at a time. I would imagine they have an order in mind anyways, so separating them would make sense. But of course, this is nothing but speculation.
A decade or two ago, a UK safari park euthanised a whole colony of macaques by shooting. They had tested positive for a zoonotic disease, and could not be retained on exhibit or rehomed. Apparently none of them showed any reaction to others being shot, and it was all over very quickly. It was judged more humane to shoot them on exhibit than to catch and euthanise by injection.
 
A decade or two ago, a UK safari park euthanised a whole colony of macaques by shooting. They had tested positive for a zoonotic disease, and could not be retained on exhibit or rehomed. Apparently none of them showed any reaction to others being shot, and it was all over very quickly. It was judged more humane to shoot them on exhibit than to catch and euthanise by injection.

Good to know there is an example of it being done like that though in that case it was coupled with it being necessary.
 
Surely it would be disturbing for the members of the Troop to see other baboons being shot.

I buy my pork from a local farmer. Breeds, raises, and yes slaughters, pigs on his family's farm. I asked him once how he went about the killing process.

Turns out that he just kills them in whatever pasture that he's had them grazing in, and more often than not, while they're surrounded by members of their herd! He picks out a pig, aims his rifle, and shoots! Then, once the pig is down, he exsanguinates them, and then goes off to get his tractor in order to haul the carcass to his butchering shed.

I followed up by asking if the other pigs ever seemed distressed by the process. He said that they weren't! Said that worst part of it all for the other pigs was usually the bang of the gun, which they recovered from quickly, and then typically proceeded to go back to grazing.

Sometimes he'd even see them licking up the blood from the slaughtered pig afterwards...

I think that, for the vast majority of animals, death and dying isn't particularly disturbing. And apparently, that can and does include witnessing it happen to members of your own species.
 
A decade or two ago, a UK safari park euthanised a whole colony of macaques by shooting. They had tested positive for a zoonotic disease, and could not be retained on exhibit or rehomed. Apparently none of them showed any reaction to others being shot, and it was all over very quickly. It was judged more humane to shoot them on exhibit than to catch and euthanise by injection.

I'm reasonably certain that this is the incident that you're talking about.

BBC News | UK | Park culls monkey colony
 
A decade or two ago, a UK safari park euthanised a whole colony of macaques by shooting. They had tested positive for a zoonotic disease, and could not be retained on exhibit or rehomed. Apparently none of them showed any reaction to others being shot, and it was all over very quickly. It was judged more humane to shoot them on exhibit than to catch and euthanise by injection.
Both Woburn and West Midland Safari Park had to euthanise all of their Rhesus monkeys because of Herpes B.The animals at West Mids were shot by Bob Lawrence using a silencer
 
A decade or two ago, a UK safari park euthanised a whole colony of macaques by shooting. Apparently none of them showed any reaction to others being shot, and it was all over very quickly.

This quite surprises me. Even without the social aspect I'd still have thought they'd all realize the deathly threat and start panicking. But then again there may be other cognitive aspects setting in. Apparently animals tend to "shut the regular brain function down", when (a painful) death is inevitable, e.g. an antelope in the firm grip of a crocodile/lion etc. But I'd still wonder, what the remaining half of a group would then make of this, as they wouldn't put the whole group down as in the example from the UK.
 
Well that escalated quickly... I was writing a response 3 hours ago, had to abandon it and come back to see 50 new posts in this thread.

For starters Nuremberg is a zoo known for its openness about their breed-and-cull strategy. There are monthly notices on all mutations in their animal collections next to the entrance, which in the case of deaths include the notification if the carcass was used as feed for the carnivores. This includes some critically endangered species like addax. Of course the first option is never culling an animal, but in enough cases (male hoofstock) no other zoo or high quality institution is willing to take the surplus. It is also not hidden, as a few years ago I saw a piece of zebra in the lion enclosure:
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There is quite a large piece of communication about the proposed guinea baboon cull. It is not a given that it will happen, but the Tiergarten doesn't see any other option as no alternative home for part of the group can be found. The enclosure has a max. capacity of 25 animals, but currently holds 45, so that is leading to unwanted situations. Apparently using contraception is not effective, it has been tried, but it means that the females become infertile for the rest of their lives. So with an EEP-managed species the zoo wants to continue with, it sees no other option. It will discuss the proposal with the environmental committee of the city (the zoo is city-owned).

According to the zoo it is also not clear how many baboons they would need to cull, they describe it as a stepwise process which will stop once the goal is fulfilled. If possible the baboons will be fed to other animals in the zoo, but that is always dependent on the individual animal culled and the veterinary situation. The zoo has published a long FAQ (in German) about the subject here:

tiergarten.nuernberg.de: Populationsmanagement: Häufige Fragen
 
Well that escalated quickly... I was writing a response 3 hours ago, had to abandon it and come back to see 50 new posts in this thread.

For starters Nuremberg is a zoo known for its openness about their breed-and-cull strategy. There are monthly notices on all mutations in their animal collections next to the entrance, which in the case of deaths include the notification if the carcass was used as feed for the carnivores. This includes some critically endangered species like addax. Of course the first option is never culling an animal, but in enough cases (male hoofstock) no other zoo or high quality institution is willing to take the surplus. It is also not hidden, as a few years ago I saw a piece of zebra in the lion enclosure:
full


There is quite a large piece of communication about the proposed guinea baboon cull. It is not a given that it will happen, but the Tiergarten doesn't see any other option as no alternative home for part of the group can be found. The enclosure has a max. capacity of 25 animals, but currently holds 45, so that is leading to unwanted situations. Apparently using contraception is not effective, it has been tried, but it means that the females become infertile for the rest of their lives. So with an EEP-managed species the zoo wants to continue with, it sees no other option. It will discuss the proposal with the environmental committee of the city (the zoo is city-owned).

According to the zoo it is also not clear how many baboons they would need to cull, they describe it as a stepwise process which will stop once the goal is fulfilled. If possible the baboons will be fed to other animals in the zoo, but that is always dependent on the individual animal culled and the veterinary situation. The zoo has published a long FAQ (in German) about the subject here:

tiergarten.nuernberg.de: Populationsmanagement: Häufige Fragen
Ethics aside, nutritionally it's not going to be absolutely different methinks from if the lion was fed horse or donkey meat... certainly the nutrient composition of the zebra feed at Nurenburg is rather bog-standard horse feed?
 
Ethics aside, nutritionally it's not going to be absolutely different methinks from if the lion was fed horse or donkey meat... certainly the nutrient composition of the zebra feed at Nurenburg is rather bog-standard horse feed?

But they get skin, hair possibly other organs etc along with the meat. This normally isn't the case with regular horse meat, beef etc.

Well that escalated quickly... I was writing a response 3 hours ago, had to abandon it and come back to see 50 new posts in this thread.

Fortunately, it has been a rather good, sophisticated/well-informed and respectful discussion about a potentially controversive and emotional topic. Actually, I quite like exchanges like this one.
 
I would like to think that other zoos would learn from this situation and not allow groups of animals to become too large for their enclosure, just by moving occasionally a small number, which would be more appealing to other zoos to take them
 
The zoo has published a long FAQ (in German) about the subject here:

tiergarten.nuernberg.de: Populationsmanagement: Häufige Fragen

The FAQ, translated into English.

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Why does the zoo keep Guinea baboons?

The Nuremberg Zoo is currently the only zoo in Germany that keeps Guinea baboons. A total of 278 animals of this species live in zoos run by the European Zoo Association (EAZA). In the medium term, EAZA zoos are required to increase the housing options for Guinea baboons - because the species is coming under increasing pressure in the wild.

The International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN), to which the Nuremberg Zoo belongs, classifies Guinea baboons as potentially endangered. In the past 30 years the population has probably already decreased by 20 percent. Reasons for the decline include loss of habitat and human predation.

The Nuremberg Zoo would like to stick to this attitude. It serves the survival of the species that a population is maintained under human care that can form the basis for releases into the wild when there are protected and suitable spaces at some point.

Since when has the zoo kept Guinea baboons?

The zoo has been keeping Guinea baboons since 1942.

How many Guinea baboons are there in zoos?

A total of 278 animals currently live in just ten zoos of the European Zoo Association (EAZA), including 45 animals in Nuremberg. The Nuremberg Zoo is currently the only zoo in Germany that keeps Guinea baboons. He wants to continue the keeping in collaboration with EAZA in order to contribute to the conservation of the species.

Why does the Nuremberg Zoo have to reduce the size of its baboon group?

The Nuremberg Zoo breeds its baboons as part of the European Conservation Breeding Program (EAZA ex-Situ Program, EEP). The breeding of EEP species is managed centrally by a coordinator based on scientific criteria. The goal is to maintain populations that are as genetically diverse as possible.

For this purpose, the participating institutions exchange animals on the recommendation of the coordinator, they breed young animals or pause breeding. In many species, litter sizes and sex ratios of young animals cannot be predicted - it is unavoidable that young animals are born that cannot be used for breeding.

In the Nuremberg Zoo, the baboon group has reached a size for which the facility, which was expanded in 2009, was not designed. The side effect of overpopulation is increased conflicts with corresponding injuries to the animals. The conflicts within the baboon group are expressed, for example, through bite injuries.

These conflicts are generally not unusual for baboons and also occur in nature, but not as frequently as in the group in the zoo.

What are the basic options for reducing the size of the group?

Since 2011, an interdisciplinary animal protection commission (consisting of the management, the curator, the zoo veterinarians, the inspectors, the district management, animal carers and the official veterinarian) has examined all options and taken measures to reduce the group size and growth of the group.

The following six alternatives, some of which were not successful and some of which have not yet been used, were considered:

• Release to other zoos
• International animal brokers
• Release into the wild
• Mercy accommodation/sanctuaries
• Contraception/reversible infertility
• Sterilization and castration/irreversible infertility
• The animal welfare-compliant killing of surplus baboons

Can't the zoo give animals to other zoos?

Animals that are managed within an EEP are primarily placed by the coordinator and based on their recommendations. If the EEP cannot help or the animals do not belong to an EEP, the zoo offers its surplus animals to all institutions that have access to the zoo animal database ZIMS/Species360.

These approximately 1,300 institutions are predominantly the accredited zoos of the VdZ (Association of Zoological Gardens), the EAZA (European Association of Zoos and Aquaria), the EARAZA (Eurasian Zoo Association) or the WAZA (World Association of Zoos and Aquariums). .

In addition, the zoo sends its drop-off and search lists directly to around 200 partner zoos in Europe, including zoos that are considered good and do not belong to any of the associations mentioned. In the case of baboons, only two zoos have added 16 animals to their inventory since 2011. Despite various attempts, no further delivery options have emerged in recent years.

Which drop-off options other than zoos has the Nuremberg Zoo examined?

Some (e.g. Arabic and Chinese) institutions cannot be reached via the associations and databases of which Nuremberg Zoo is a part. In order to examine these options, international animal brokers and transporters are asked whether they can place the animals.

If interest is expressed by zoos that are not organized in an association, it must first be clarified whether the keeping conditions and operational structures are suitable. If the facilities do not meet the minimum standards required by the Federal Ministry of Agriculture's mammal report, the animals will not be released there.

But even facilities of untested quality have shown no interest in taking over Guinea baboons in recent years (since September 2020).

Why doesn't the zoo give the baboons to a sanctuary?

Only facilities in which the animals can live integrated into a social group are considered for the zoo. The only large animal welfare facility that takes in primates until they can be placed with another owner is currently struggling with a “waiting list” of 200 confiscated animals. The zoo also asked there.

Can Guinea baboons not be released into the wild?

The goal of keeping all animal species threatened with extinction in zoos is to return them to suitable habitats. Releases are subject to strict rules drawn up by the IUCN. As a member of the IUCN, the zoo adheres to these rules when releasing ibexes, lynxes, ground squirrels, northern owls, northern bald ibises, bearded vultures, pond turtles, etc.).

There is currently no question of releasing Guinea baboons into the wild because there are no suitable areas in the areas of origin where they could be settled and where they could live safely. The International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) has been observing a decline in natural populations for decades.

They live in an area that extends across Senegal, Guinea-Bissau, Guinea, Sierra Leone and Mali. Their habitats are coming under increasing pressure: for example, Senegal's Niokolo-Koba National Park, which has been on the UNESCO World Heritage List in Danger since 2007.

Reintroduction projects have to be prepared in a time-consuming manner and then the project has to be coordinated and scientifically monitored over many years. A release project for Guinea baboons does not currently exist and is not planned for the reasons mentioned above, which is why the zoo cannot release any baboons into the wild at the moment.

If Guinea baboons cannot currently be released into the wild, why are they kept at all?

A population kept in human care can form the basis for releases into the wild if there are protected and suitable spaces at some point. The attitude therefore serves to secure and survive the species.

Can't the group size be kept stable through contraception?

Attempts to keep the group structure and size stable by temporarily preventing females while at the same time reducing the group growth rate have not had the desired effect. Because the females remained permanently infertile. The zoo has therefore not provided contraception to any of the female Guinea baboon since 2018.

Contraception for males, which would only be possible through sterilization, makes no sense since only one fertile male could cover all females.

The fact that animals can reproduce is not only important for genetic and health reasons: partner choice, mating, births and rearing play a crucial role in the animals' social life. The zoo wants to make all of these aspects possible for its Guinea baboons and sees itself as having a responsibility to maintain a socially functioning, healthy, diverse and reproductive group.

Why doesn't the zoo sterilize all the animals?

Irreversible infertility of animals in the long term is only possible if the population is to die out. Since the population of Guinea baboons in the wild has been decreasing for decades and zoological gardens are required to build up a reserve population on the recommendation of the EAZA, this is not possible in this case.

Why doesn't the zoo stop breeding Guinea baboons?

Zoos are legally obliged to protect species and contribute to the preservation of biodiversity. Their tasks include maintaining stable and healthy populations of various species. The Nuremberg Zoo is currently the only zoo in Germany that keeps Guinea baboons.

A total of 278 animals of this species live in zoos run by the European Zoo Association (EAZA). In the medium term, EAZA zoos are required to increase the housing options for Guinea baboons - because the species is coming under increasing pressure in the wild.

In the past 30 years the population has probably already decreased by 20 percent. The Nuremberg Zoo would like to stick to this attitude. It serves the survival of the species that a population is maintained under human care that can form the basis for releases into the wild when there are protected and suitable spaces at some point.

Can't the enclosure be enlarged?

The baboon enclosure with the associated indoor enclosure was significantly expanded and redesigned in 2009, which also improved the keeping conditions. A further expansion of the system is neither possible nor sensible. She would just postpone the question of how to deal with the limited space.

Why did the zoo allow such a large group of baboons in the first place?

Since 2011, an interdisciplinary animal protection commission (consisting of the management, the curator, the zoo veterinarians, the inspectors, the district management, animal carers and the official veterinarian) has examined all options and taken measures to reduce the group size and growth of the group.

Attempts to keep the group structure and size stable by temporarily preventing females while at the same time reducing the group growth rate have not had the desired effect. Because the females remained permanently infertile.

Contraception for males, which would only be possible through sterilization, makes no sense since only one fertile male could cover all females. There were only a few options for handing over to other suitable facilities, so the group could not be significantly reduced.

The fact that animals can reproduce is important for genetic and health reasons as well as for the social life of the animals. The zoo sees itself as having a responsibility to maintain a socially functioning, healthy, diverse and reproductive group.

How many animals have to be killed?

There is no fixed target size. The zoo wants to gradually reduce the number of baboons. After each removal, we first observe whether and how the situation changes. The next steps will then be discussed within the animal welfare commission.

When will the baboons be killed?

That's not decided yet.

How are the baboons killed?

Basically there are different methods. It is not yet clear which ones will be used, but they will comply with the requirements of the Animal Welfare Act.

Are the baboons fed to other zoo animals?

Whether the baboons are fed to predators in the zoo is always decided on a case-by-case basis. However, as with all animals, the zoo strives to use the animal carcass respectfully wherever possible.

What are the research purposes that Bayerischer Rundfunk reports on?

As with all animals, the zoo strives to use dead animals as respectfully and sensibly as possible. In addition to feeding the muscle meat, many tissue samples are very valuable for scientific purposes. Some samples come from organs that are not fed. Many of these could not be obtained from wild animals, for example for logistical and species protection reasons.

How is it decided which animals (have to) be killed?

The zoo takes various factors into account when making its decision. For example, pregnant females or animals that play a central role in the social structure and are crucial for a functioning group are not removed.

The zoo wants to gradually reduce the number of baboons. After each removal, we first observe whether and how the situation changes. The next steps will then be discussed within the animal welfare commission.

Is the zoo also involved in the natural range of Guinea baboons?

As part of a cooperation with the German Primate Center (DPZ), the zoo supports on-site research work in the Niokolo Koba National Park in Senegal. The DPZ maintains a field station there where employees and external scientists research the behavior of Guinea baboons. Among other things, the zoo supports them by equipping baboons with GPS collars.

Does the zoo keep the baboons to attract visitors and make money?

The zoo is non-profit. The income covers the running costs by an average of 70%. The subsidies from the city budget (30%) are justified by the zoo's services to the public good in the areas of species conservation, education and research.

The selection criteria by which the zoo selects its animal population are very diverse. The criteria include, for example, threat status, whether it is a species from a European conservation breeding program (EAZA ex-situ program), or whether the species is of particular relevance for zoo education, for example. Attractiveness for visitors is also one of the criteria.

Why doesn't the zoo invest the money it spends on keeping baboons into protecting the animals' natural habitats?

Species and nature conservation is a mammoth task in which many people and institutions with different expertise and orientations are involved. Nobody can do it alone.

The task of zoos is to carry out so-called ex-situ species protection. This means, among other things, keeping and breeding animals and supporting local conservationists with their knowledge of the animals' needs. If no one breeds animals, there will be no animals to release into the wild.

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I don't speak German, so I just plugged the FAQ into Google Translate. In-spite of the service's poor reputation, the translation is understandable, if a bit clunky.
 
The FAQ, translated into English.

‐--------------------------------

Why does the zoo keep Guinea baboons?

The Nuremberg Zoo is currently the only zoo in Germany that keeps Guinea baboons. A total of 278 animals of this species live in zoos run by the European Zoo Association (EAZA). In the medium term, EAZA zoos are required to increase the housing options for Guinea baboons - because the species is coming under increasing pressure in the wild.

The International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN), to which the Nuremberg Zoo belongs, classifies Guinea baboons as potentially endangered. In the past 30 years the population has probably already decreased by 20 percent. Reasons for the decline include loss of habitat and human predation.

The Nuremberg Zoo would like to stick to this attitude. It serves the survival of the species that a population is maintained under human care that can form the basis for releases into the wild when there are protected and suitable spaces at some point.

Since when has the zoo kept Guinea baboons?

The zoo has been keeping Guinea baboons since 1942.

How many Guinea baboons are there in zoos?

A total of 278 animals currently live in just ten zoos of the European Zoo Association (EAZA), including 45 animals in Nuremberg. The Nuremberg Zoo is currently the only zoo in Germany that keeps Guinea baboons. He wants to continue the keeping in collaboration with EAZA in order to contribute to the conservation of the species.

Why does the Nuremberg Zoo have to reduce the size of its baboon group?

The Nuremberg Zoo breeds its baboons as part of the European Conservation Breeding Program (EAZA ex-Situ Program, EEP). The breeding of EEP species is managed centrally by a coordinator based on scientific criteria. The goal is to maintain populations that are as genetically diverse as possible.

For this purpose, the participating institutions exchange animals on the recommendation of the coordinator, they breed young animals or pause breeding. In many species, litter sizes and sex ratios of young animals cannot be predicted - it is unavoidable that young animals are born that cannot be used for breeding.

In the Nuremberg Zoo, the baboon group has reached a size for which the facility, which was expanded in 2009, was not designed. The side effect of overpopulation is increased conflicts with corresponding injuries to the animals. The conflicts within the baboon group are expressed, for example, through bite injuries.

These conflicts are generally not unusual for baboons and also occur in nature, but not as frequently as in the group in the zoo.

What are the basic options for reducing the size of the group?

Since 2011, an interdisciplinary animal protection commission (consisting of the management, the curator, the zoo veterinarians, the inspectors, the district management, animal carers and the official veterinarian) has examined all options and taken measures to reduce the group size and growth of the group.

The following six alternatives, some of which were not successful and some of which have not yet been used, were considered:

• Release to other zoos
• International animal brokers
• Release into the wild
• Mercy accommodation/sanctuaries
• Contraception/reversible infertility
• Sterilization and castration/irreversible infertility
• The animal welfare-compliant killing of surplus baboons

Can't the zoo give animals to other zoos?

Animals that are managed within an EEP are primarily placed by the coordinator and based on their recommendations. If the EEP cannot help or the animals do not belong to an EEP, the zoo offers its surplus animals to all institutions that have access to the zoo animal database ZIMS/Species360.

These approximately 1,300 institutions are predominantly the accredited zoos of the VdZ (Association of Zoological Gardens), the EAZA (European Association of Zoos and Aquaria), the EARAZA (Eurasian Zoo Association) or the WAZA (World Association of Zoos and Aquariums). .

In addition, the zoo sends its drop-off and search lists directly to around 200 partner zoos in Europe, including zoos that are considered good and do not belong to any of the associations mentioned. In the case of baboons, only two zoos have added 16 animals to their inventory since 2011. Despite various attempts, no further delivery options have emerged in recent years.

Which drop-off options other than zoos has the Nuremberg Zoo examined?

Some (e.g. Arabic and Chinese) institutions cannot be reached via the associations and databases of which Nuremberg Zoo is a part. In order to examine these options, international animal brokers and transporters are asked whether they can place the animals.

If interest is expressed by zoos that are not organized in an association, it must first be clarified whether the keeping conditions and operational structures are suitable. If the facilities do not meet the minimum standards required by the Federal Ministry of Agriculture's mammal report, the animals will not be released there.

But even facilities of untested quality have shown no interest in taking over Guinea baboons in recent years (since September 2020).

Why doesn't the zoo give the baboons to a sanctuary?

Only facilities in which the animals can live integrated into a social group are considered for the zoo. The only large animal welfare facility that takes in primates until they can be placed with another owner is currently struggling with a “waiting list” of 200 confiscated animals. The zoo also asked there.

Can Guinea baboons not be released into the wild?

The goal of keeping all animal species threatened with extinction in zoos is to return them to suitable habitats. Releases are subject to strict rules drawn up by the IUCN. As a member of the IUCN, the zoo adheres to these rules when releasing ibexes, lynxes, ground squirrels, northern owls, northern bald ibises, bearded vultures, pond turtles, etc.).

There is currently no question of releasing Guinea baboons into the wild because there are no suitable areas in the areas of origin where they could be settled and where they could live safely. The International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) has been observing a decline in natural populations for decades.

They live in an area that extends across Senegal, Guinea-Bissau, Guinea, Sierra Leone and Mali. Their habitats are coming under increasing pressure: for example, Senegal's Niokolo-Koba National Park, which has been on the UNESCO World Heritage List in Danger since 2007.

Reintroduction projects have to be prepared in a time-consuming manner and then the project has to be coordinated and scientifically monitored over many years. A release project for Guinea baboons does not currently exist and is not planned for the reasons mentioned above, which is why the zoo cannot release any baboons into the wild at the moment.

If Guinea baboons cannot currently be released into the wild, why are they kept at all?

A population kept in human care can form the basis for releases into the wild if there are protected and suitable spaces at some point. The attitude therefore serves to secure and survive the species.

Can't the group size be kept stable through contraception?

Attempts to keep the group structure and size stable by temporarily preventing females while at the same time reducing the group growth rate have not had the desired effect. Because the females remained permanently infertile. The zoo has therefore not provided contraception to any of the female Guinea baboon since 2018.

Contraception for males, which would only be possible through sterilization, makes no sense since only one fertile male could cover all females.

The fact that animals can reproduce is not only important for genetic and health reasons: partner choice, mating, births and rearing play a crucial role in the animals' social life. The zoo wants to make all of these aspects possible for its Guinea baboons and sees itself as having a responsibility to maintain a socially functioning, healthy, diverse and reproductive group.

Why doesn't the zoo sterilize all the animals?

Irreversible infertility of animals in the long term is only possible if the population is to die out. Since the population of Guinea baboons in the wild has been decreasing for decades and zoological gardens are required to build up a reserve population on the recommendation of the EAZA, this is not possible in this case.

Why doesn't the zoo stop breeding Guinea baboons?

Zoos are legally obliged to protect species and contribute to the preservation of biodiversity. Their tasks include maintaining stable and healthy populations of various species. The Nuremberg Zoo is currently the only zoo in Germany that keeps Guinea baboons.

A total of 278 animals of this species live in zoos run by the European Zoo Association (EAZA). In the medium term, EAZA zoos are required to increase the housing options for Guinea baboons - because the species is coming under increasing pressure in the wild.

In the past 30 years the population has probably already decreased by 20 percent. The Nuremberg Zoo would like to stick to this attitude. It serves the survival of the species that a population is maintained under human care that can form the basis for releases into the wild when there are protected and suitable spaces at some point.

Can't the enclosure be enlarged?

The baboon enclosure with the associated indoor enclosure was significantly expanded and redesigned in 2009, which also improved the keeping conditions. A further expansion of the system is neither possible nor sensible. She would just postpone the question of how to deal with the limited space.

Why did the zoo allow such a large group of baboons in the first place?

Since 2011, an interdisciplinary animal protection commission (consisting of the management, the curator, the zoo veterinarians, the inspectors, the district management, animal carers and the official veterinarian) has examined all options and taken measures to reduce the group size and growth of the group.

Attempts to keep the group structure and size stable by temporarily preventing females while at the same time reducing the group growth rate have not had the desired effect. Because the females remained permanently infertile.

Contraception for males, which would only be possible through sterilization, makes no sense since only one fertile male could cover all females. There were only a few options for handing over to other suitable facilities, so the group could not be significantly reduced.

The fact that animals can reproduce is important for genetic and health reasons as well as for the social life of the animals. The zoo sees itself as having a responsibility to maintain a socially functioning, healthy, diverse and reproductive group.

How many animals have to be killed?

There is no fixed target size. The zoo wants to gradually reduce the number of baboons. After each removal, we first observe whether and how the situation changes. The next steps will then be discussed within the animal welfare commission.

When will the baboons be killed?

That's not decided yet.

How are the baboons killed?

Basically there are different methods. It is not yet clear which ones will be used, but they will comply with the requirements of the Animal Welfare Act.

Are the baboons fed to other zoo animals?

Whether the baboons are fed to predators in the zoo is always decided on a case-by-case basis. However, as with all animals, the zoo strives to use the animal carcass respectfully wherever possible.

What are the research purposes that Bayerischer Rundfunk reports on?

As with all animals, the zoo strives to use dead animals as respectfully and sensibly as possible. In addition to feeding the muscle meat, many tissue samples are very valuable for scientific purposes. Some samples come from organs that are not fed. Many of these could not be obtained from wild animals, for example for logistical and species protection reasons.

How is it decided which animals (have to) be killed?

The zoo takes various factors into account when making its decision. For example, pregnant females or animals that play a central role in the social structure and are crucial for a functioning group are not removed.

The zoo wants to gradually reduce the number of baboons. After each removal, we first observe whether and how the situation changes. The next steps will then be discussed within the animal welfare commission.

Is the zoo also involved in the natural range of Guinea baboons?

As part of a cooperation with the German Primate Center (DPZ), the zoo supports on-site research work in the Niokolo Koba National Park in Senegal. The DPZ maintains a field station there where employees and external scientists research the behavior of Guinea baboons. Among other things, the zoo supports them by equipping baboons with GPS collars.

Does the zoo keep the baboons to attract visitors and make money?

The zoo is non-profit. The income covers the running costs by an average of 70%. The subsidies from the city budget (30%) are justified by the zoo's services to the public good in the areas of species conservation, education and research.

The selection criteria by which the zoo selects its animal population are very diverse. The criteria include, for example, threat status, whether it is a species from a European conservation breeding program (EAZA ex-situ program), or whether the species is of particular relevance for zoo education, for example. Attractiveness for visitors is also one of the criteria.

Why doesn't the zoo invest the money it spends on keeping baboons into protecting the animals' natural habitats?

Species and nature conservation is a mammoth task in which many people and institutions with different expertise and orientations are involved. Nobody can do it alone.

The task of zoos is to carry out so-called ex-situ species protection. This means, among other things, keeping and breeding animals and supporting local conservationists with their knowledge of the animals' needs. If no one breeds animals, there will be no animals to release into the wild.

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I don't speak German, so I just plugged the FAQ into Google Translate. In-spite of the service's poor reputation, the translation is understandable, if a bit clunky.
Thank you, this is a very interesting article,,although it may create more questions than answers for zoos in general
 
It would have been better if the zoo had used contraception for many of the baboons.
Based on previous experiences in other zoos (Augsburg, Munich etc.), it's not that simple. Unexpected pregnancies, stillbirths, hyperestrogenism, ovarial cysts, increased social structure disruption, aggression, animals getting bullied and sick due to hierachial status loss etc. are among the negative results.
 
I think that, for the vast majority of animals, death and dying isn't particularly disturbing. And apparently, that can and does include witnessing it happen to members of your own species.

I've seen footage of Deer culling where a particular one in a group is shot. Sometimes, if a silencer has been used, the others will carry on grazing around the fallen one.

When a man died in the next bed to me in hospital, I was actually far less upset than I thought I was going to be in advance of the event.
 
Apparently none of them showed any reaction to others being shot, and it was all over very quickly.

As to animals' reaction to the death of others, in particular companions/ conspecifics.. I once had a small dog which suddenly
died of a heart attack while we were out on a walk. His much bigger companion of eight years or so showed no reaction or interest at all.

If it actually happens in Nurnberg's case, I presume they would split the troop beforehand and the ones to be euthanased would be kept inside for the duration so the 'saved' ones wouldn't see it anyway. I'm surprised no UK places like Monkeyworld or Port Lympne have so far offered them homes, but the first hasn't got an enclosure available perhaps, while Port Lympne do have a very large group of 'Guineas' already.
 
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Nuremberg faces the same legal problem as other German zoos when it comes to culling surplus zoo animals: the German Animal Welfare Law requires a "reasonable cause" to kill an animal. Consumption, disease control etc. are defined as such; zoo / captive animal population management isn't. So if any animal right organization sues them, the zoo can be found guilty for violating this law - as it was the case with Zoo Magdeburg and the tiger cub euthanasia case.
Unlike ruminants and equines, primates are not classified as animal feed in Germany.
 
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