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Agreed..but there is NO country anywhere near to the United States in the number of animals on private reserves,some of which are run to a high standard...I hope that the AZA can have a rather more relaxed attitude to these places than it has been showing in recent years. They often seem to have the attitude of "if you`re not with us ,you`re against us".
 
Tim Brown said:
Agreed..but there is NO country anywhere near to the United States in the number of animals on private reserves,some of which are run to a high standard...I hope that the AZA can have a rather more relaxed attitude to these places than it has been showing in recent years. They often seem to have the attitude of "if you`re not with us ,you`re against us".
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The AZA does have a relaxed attitude, if the owner of such ranches are billionaires or they don’t sell animals to the oh so dastardly trade. After the invitation of hsus to the AZA conference, I don’t think the AZA will show private traders and hobbyists the benefit of the doubt.
 
Tim Brown said:
Agreed..but there is NO country anywhere near to the United States in the number of animals on private reserves,some of which are run to a high standard...I hope that the AZA can have a rather more relaxed attitude to these places than it has been showing in recent years. They often seem to have the attitude of "if you`re not with us ,you`re against us".
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I was so confused for a minute, trying to figure out why Denver would be in any kind of trouble with the AZA over this, before I realized which private reserves you actually meant -- I don't know enough to comment but I know the AZA seems to be developing better relations with some facilities outside the organization. Hemker Park in Minnesota seems to mostly exist as a bit of a dumping ground for hoofstock that aren't doing well in the AZA, for example.

PossumRoach said:
The AZA does have a relaxed attitude, if the owner of such ranches are billionaires or they don’t sell animals to the oh so dastardly trade. After the invitation of hsus to the AZA conference, I don’t think the AZA will show private traders and hobbyists the benefit of the doubt.
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Pardon my ignorance - what is hsus?
 
Tim Brown said:
Agreed..but there is NO country anywhere near to the United States in the number of animals on private reserves,some of which are run to a high standard...I hope that the AZA can have a rather more relaxed attitude to these places than it has been showing in recent years. They often seem to have the attitude of "if you`re not with us ,you`re against us".
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I can only second that @Tim and it seems the attitude is slowly changing towards the private sector (the C2S2 association)..., however it really needs to expand beyond the 7+ facilities' that are now part of C2S2.
SOURCE: https://fossilrim.org/blog/c2s2-grabs-future-of-world-wildlife-by-the-horns/
 
Milwaukee Man said:
One of the young Asian elephant bulls, Chuck, will be leaving in a few weeks for another TBA zoo to become a breeding bull. He is the first to “graduate” from Denver’s bull program. :)

Good Luck, Chuck! - Denver Zoo
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Baylor has arrived in Denver. Chuck should soon move, if not already has moved to Houston. Baylor has already been reintroduced to his little bro Duncan, who moved there last year.

Denver Zoo on Instagram: "Please help us give a warm welcome to our newest resident, Baylor the Asian elephant! Fourteen-year-old Baylor arrived from Houston Zoo at the recommendation of the Association of Zoos and Aquariums' Asian Elephant Species Survival Plan (SSP). This move supports our ongoing efforts to help protect Endangered Asian elephants and supports the natural history of this species. Thanks to our facilities and expertise, we’re able to provide a great home for male elephants, ensuring they live happily and healthily when it’s time for them to leave their maternal herds. Integrating a new elephant into an established herd is no small task, but we’re happy to share that Baylor is settling in well! Our skilled elephant care team is carefully managing his transition, prioritizing his comfort and well-being. Baylor's arrival was also made even more special by a sweet reunion with his younger brother, 10-year-old Duncan, who joined us last year. Duncan has been an incredible addition to our bachelor herd, and we’re excited to see the brotherly support he offers Baylor during this new chapter. According to our friends in Houston, Baylor is a gentle and thoughtful elephant who loves interacting with his care team and enjoys snacking on browse or hay. Our Animal Care Specialists will continue to gradually introduce Baylor to the other members of our bachelor herd including 54-year-old Groucho, 20-year-old Bodhi, 16-year-old Billy and 14-year-old Jake. As he acclimates to his new home, Baylor may have access to behind-the-scenes indoor spaces, or outdoor Toyota Elephant Passage habitats. Join us in welcoming Baylor to Denver Zoo and be sure to say hi to him during your next visit! Head to the link in our bio to get your tickets today. "
 
I am so glad that Denver Zoo has taken it upon themselves to function as a bachelor herd for young bulls and older bulls that are surplus or for now not needed in the breeding program. The fact that bull Chuck is off too soon for a breeding location is indicative how important a role is that Denver Zoo does not focus on breeding but facillitating holding capacity for bulls only.

Further, it must now be clear that Denver Zoo provides end of life care for their oldest resident bull Thai at 60+ - which is at the outlier range for adult bull elephants both in captivity and in their natural range). It is good he is no longer going anywhere then back to his own stalls and outdoor exhibit space at Denver Zoo.
 
Kifaru Bwana said:
Further, it must now be clear that Denver Zoo provides end of life care for their oldest resident bull Thai at 60+ - which is at the outlier range for adult bull elephants both in captivity and in their natural range). It is good he is no longer going anywhere then back to his own stalls and outdoor exhibit space at Denver Zoo.
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Um, but Thai lives in Houston though…
Could you have perhaps mistaken him for Denver’s Groucho, who is also elderly at 54?
 
Nile Hippo Expert said:
Um, but Thai lives in Houston though…
Could you have perhaps mistaken him for Denver’s Groucho, who is also elderly at 54?
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No, my bad ..., my response to posts #33 and #34 (earlier) I just inadvertently let Denver sweep in my post. Just confused both collections and meant to say Thai - Houston. Mea maxima culpa!

Stand corrected: No way, that Thai will transfer to another collection based upon his age and expert later days/end of life care at Houston Zoo.
 
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