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I’d have to agree I can see the sloth bear leaving to make room for an extended polar bear enclosure. Hopefully underwater viewing can be added. I understand the politics and the history of the sites is a very complicated one. It would make sense to concentrate on polar bears at the tierpark where much more room can be given over to them.

Does anyone have a list of the current species in the monkey house? I haven’t been in a number of years but do think it could easily be similarly upgraded to the that of the tierpark styled house. A reduction of some species and maybe a few new choice species representing taxa across the family would be nice.

Simarly, which wild cattle species are currently kept?
 
The zoo should give up on polar bears and let the Tierpark have them. But since they’re probably the most famous mascot of the zoo it is never going to happen.

I'd argue that'd be gorilla :P
 
The zoo should give up on polar bears and let the Tierpark have them. But since they’re probably the most famous mascot of the zoo it is never going to happen.
I think with a collection as vast as Berlin you could have good argument as to which one species holds that title ...
 
I would agree it's the polar bear to the general public, purely because of how famous Knut was and the big deal made about them leaving. But truthfully you could argue for hours about that as @dillotest0 says, arguably gorillas, or hippos, or wisent. Perhaps even kiwi if you are particularly bird-orientated. Ultimately if seems like the Zoo wants to stand up on its own as the best in the world, leaving Tierpark in limbo a bit
 
Makes a change from the overall trend in recent years of ignoring the history of the zoo entirely or (in some cases) displaying signs of trying to rewrite history :rolleyes: last year when attending the Zoohistorica event at NaturZoo Rheine I had an interesting discussion with a few German zoo enthusiasts and professionals on the subject, and the fact that the zoo was entirely uninterested in my offer to donate my copy of the 1866 guidebook (which seems to be the only extant copy as far as anyone I have consulted can tell) to their archives.

So if they are - belatedly - showing more interest in highlighting the history of the zoo, this is no bad thing.... although I'm not going to make the offer again ;)
TeaLovingDave - I am shocked and appalled to hear this story. It's very disappointing.

Would you mind sharing how you came into this book in the first place?
 
TeaLovingDave - I am shocked and appalled to hear this story. It's very disappointing.

Would you mind sharing how you came into this book in the first place?

Certainly :) I selected it as the first to be highlighted within my thread on the subject of zoo guidebooks a few years ago, so I shall quote my post - which includes the story of how it came into my possession and images from within the guidebook itself - below:

Day 1: Zoo Berlin (1866) - Der Führer im Zoologischen Garten zu Berlin



So; the first guidebook I will be highlighting as part of this thread will the oldest item in my guidebook collection at over 155 years old; by coincidence, it so happens that it was released in the exact same year that my great-great grandmother Elizabeth Ann Younger was born, something which has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the significance of the guidebook, nor on any other pertinent factor as far as those reading this post will be concerned, but it *does* provide a useful little milestone in my brain to aid in picturing just how long ago it was released. Perhaps more interesting to the wider forum population is the observation that given the fact that the unification of Germany as a single country as we would – more or less – recognise it did not occur until 1870, at the end of the Austro-Prussian War, this is *not* a “German” guidebook per se; rather, it is a guidebook from the Kingdom of Prussia, released in the opening months of the aforementioned war.

This is also quite a recent addition to my collection, having fallen into my hands only a few months ago by pure happenstance; one of my usual online haunts when looking for interesting second-hand books of any sort is Abebooks, a site which serves as a marketplace for independent bookstores around the world, and when performing one of the various keyword searches I check every day or two I stumbled across a newly-added listing for a Zoo Berlin guidebook. None of the descriptive details – page number, cited author, precise title and so forth -seemed to fit any guidebook I knew to exist, and the alleged year of release sounded FAR too old for a book being sold as cheaply as was the case… but given the aforementioned low price of the book (around £15 plus postage from Germany) I thought it was worth the gamble.

On arrival, it was immediately clear to me that this was something special – it was indeed as old as the listing had claimed, and was incredibly delicate to the touch. In fact, to this date I have literally handled it only a half-dozen times, and that as briefly as possible; in order to look through the guidebook, in order to scan select pages, and to place it in acid-free protective containment. At some point I intend to scan the remaining pages, so that a full record of the contents of this guidebook is preserved; as far as I have been able to gather subsequent to purchasing this guidebook, having asked a number of individuals in the wider zoo guidebook community, no one appears to have come across *any* other extant copies of this edition. Given the utter devastation which hit Zoo Berlin – and the wider city – during the Second World War it is unsurprising that several 19th century guidebooks issued by the collection are now known only to exist through mentions in the reference sections of surviving books and documents; perhaps other copies of this particular edition *do* exist somewhere, but in case they do not, it is more-or-less my duty both as a historian and a zoo enthusiast to ensure that a full record of the guidebook is created now.

There follows a handful of select scanned pages from the guidebook; firstly, a double-page spread containing discussion of the Monkey House and the inhabitants within, along with a rather excellent illustration of the structure in question; secondly, a double-page spread containing discussion of the Cassowary House and environs, along with an equally-good illustration of said structure; and finally, the rear cover of the guidebook, which as one can see contains discussion of the final few enclosures on the walkthrough account of the zoo, along with an illustration of what - from the context at hand - would seem to be a cattle house given the discussion below regarding the domestic Yak held at the collection.







As one can see, the typeface is heavily stylised - something which is the case for many of my older German-language guidebooks - which renders it somewhat tricky to read, but I have been slowly trying to learn how to do so given the wealth of information regarding the early history of the zoo which this and other early Berlin guidebooks will contain, much of which I imagine has never been published in English!

The one major fault with this particular item barring how fragile it is – as the scanned pages show, they have come loose from the original stitching holding them together with the mere action of opening the guidebook and placing it in the scanner – is the fact that it lacks a map, something which judging from the numerical references located throughout wherever an exhibit is cited *was* present alongside the guidebook when originally issued, although whether this was as an insert within the pages, a separate document or otherwise I may never know.

I look forward to any questions, remarks or other such feedback you have to offer! I strongly suspect that I will not have nearly as much to say about many of the guidebooks that will follow, incidentally, so I beg your forgiveness if this post has drawn a little long!
 
Certainly :) I selected it as the first to be highlighted within my thread on the subject of zoo guidebooks a few years ago, so I shall quote my post - which includes the story of how it came into my possession and images from within the guidebook itself - below:
Thanks for sharing this. What an incredibly lucky find from you - well done for taking the opportunity to preserve it for us.

Would you mind sharing a bit about your correspondence with the zoo offering to donate it to their collection? I am shocked and appalled they haven't jumped at the chance.
 
Can anyone confirm that oncillas are now on-show?
They have been since Empire of Cats opened, they take up the smaller enclosures immediately after the entrance opposite the narrow-striped mongooses and next to the outdoor red panda exhibit. They also have a rather large outdoor exhibit that is on the side of the former white-tailed deer paddock, where there is currently building work for the tigers. Personally every time I've visited one has been curled up in the top-left corner of the leftmost indoor exhibit.

After my visit last month I questioned whether they were still held because I hadn't seen them and they were unsigned. I've just checked my photos and I took several of the oncillas :confused: Not the brightest, me
 
I'll be making the trip to the zoo very soon and wondered which individuals is the Barbary lion and which is the Eastern chimpanzee (schweinfurthii)?
 
I'll be making the trip to the zoo very soon and wondered which individuals is the Barbary lion and which is the Eastern chimpanzee (schweinfurthii)?
Berlin Zoo only hold 1,2 who arrived from Zoo Leipzig and listed as Panthera leo krugeri - the last female they held before this trio arrived was listed under Zootierliste as Panthera leo leo (Take that as you will ;)) however, I was under the impression she was elderly and therefore I suspect is no longer around.
 
An incredible first visit day today. I suspect that it is due to the size of the zoo but it didn't feel busy at all. No major species to me were missed on the visit. A nice surprise was four sand cat kittens in Empire of Cats. I must say it felt amazing seeing so many new and interesting species. I am currently working on my list of what I saw and some people have asked for it, if anyone else wants it, dont hesitate to ask.
 
An incredible first visit day today. I suspect that it is due to the size of the zoo but it didn't feel busy at all. No major species to me were missed on the visit. A nice surprise was four sand cat kittens in Empire of Cats. I must say it felt amazing seeing so many new and interesting species. I am currently working on my list of what I saw and some people have asked for it, if anyone else wants it, dont hesitate to ask.

Happy to hear that! I'm just curious about oncilla, margay, kiwi, springhaere and echidna...did you see them?
 
Where is the echidna kept? I assume they’re the ones previously kept at the elephant house in Tierpark?
 
Happy to hear that! I'm just curious about oncilla, margay, kiwi, springhaere and echidna...did you see them?

Margay, springhare and echidna were all seen but I was too late to see them in the light for the latter two. Come to think about it I was disappointed that I didn't get to Creatures of the Night quick enough and therefore didn't manage to get very good or much in the way of photos.

@Cat-Man
In the Creatures of the Night in the basement of Empire of Cats.
 
I’d have to agree I can see the sloth bear leaving to make room for an extended polar bear enclosure. Hopefully underwater viewing can be added. I understand the politics and the history of the sites is a very complicated one. It would make sense to concentrate on polar bears at the tierpark where much more room can be given over to them.

Does anyone have a list of the current species in the monkey house? I haven’t been in a number of years but do think it could easily be similarly upgraded to the that of the tierpark styled house. A reduction of some species and maybe a few new choice species representing taxa across the family would be nice.

Simarly, which wild cattle species are currently kept?
Reflecting on this, it would be better if Berlin Zoo focus on sloth bears and leave both polar bears and sun bears to Berlin Tierpark. If there is room for a second species at Berlin Zoo when finally the Bear Area is redesigned, I would much prefer an European bear area ... with wolves and other native predator fauna.
 
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