Guilsborough Wildlife Park

long time ago

I started my career at this zoo many many years ago, i worked with (wont say full name) L... S...MD...I...D...PLUS MANY MORE. Some stil;l in zoos but most are not now...

I was there under both owners and mostly enjoyed my time there (well i am a birdie person)

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The Pet Crem is actually at West Lodge Farm, 1/4 of a mile further on towards West Haddon and on the opposite side of the road than the Park used to be. West Lodge used to be a great place to go riding though!
 
I very nearly worked at Guilsborough Grange. I had just been made redundant at London Zoo (this was twenty odd years ago when it was in the middle of a severe financial crisis). A vacancy cropped up at Guilsborough Grange. I got a 'phone call from the owner asking me to interview for the post, but I had, only a day or so earlier, committed myself to setting up a pet shop & pet care centre, so I had to decline. I've always wondered whether I made the right decision.
 
Yes you did. I had the opportunity to work at Chessington, within 6 months it was World of Adventures. I also had an opportunity to interview for Gatwick, I didn't and within 6 months it was closed. FATE
 
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I worked on weekends at Guilsborough wildlife park when I was really young. Probably around 1990. After all the big cats left. I loved it, and gained so much experience. But Colin Vince was shady as hell. I remembered there being a bird room that was not open to the public and he would tell me not to talk about it. I spent quite a bit of time there cleaning, changing water and feeding.
I also remember a shipment of macaws arriving from somewhere, and several didn’t survive. I always wondered if it was completely illegal. Maybe smuggled in or something.
After I left I heard about him getting fined.
Creepy guy.
 
I very nearly worked at Guilsborough Grange. I had just been made redundant at London Zoo (this was twenty odd years ago when it was in the middle of a severe financial crisis). A vacancy cropped up at Guilsborough Grange. I got a 'phone call from the owner asking me to interview for the post, but I had, only a day or so earlier, committed myself to setting up a pet shop & pet care centre, so I had to decline. I've always wondered whether I made the right decision.
I’ve just come across this forum.
I worked on weekends at Guilsborough wildlife park when I was really young. Probably around 1990. After all the big cats left. I loved it, and gained so much experience. But Colin Vince was shady as hell. I remembered there being a bird room that was not open to the public and he would tell me not to talk about it. I spent quite a bit of time there cleaning, changing water and feeding.
I also remember a shipment of macaws arriving from somewhere, and several didn’t survive. I always wondered if it was completely illegal. Maybe smuggled in or something.
After I left I heard about him getting fined.
Creepy guy.
And after all this time, there is still shady characters running animal collections,ie Cat Survival Trust
 
I did work at this park, my very first job in the industry as a fresh out off school kid, i was given the job by Colin Vince, for that i will always be greatful. It was a zoo with limited resources and those it had it didnt use to its full potential. Yes Vince had a "loft" of a stable in the court yard that housed all manner of birds for sale... i got to see so many different species that you simply dont see anymore! the actual zoo was run with the aid of 4 keepers plus owners and son and one and a weekender in the cafe. Animal wise during my time were kept to the best standard we could keep them, but with a limited amount of resources and of course a limited amount of knowledge (i was fresh out of school so had no real idea! my colleges were in the same boat) you can image how it was run! during my time we had so few visitors even i could see this wasnt going to last.... i secured a position in another zoo after a while and have been in the industry for just shy of 40 years now! i enjoyed my time at the grange but shudder sometimes when i look back on it. The Vinces closed the park and sold all the bits and pieces off by auction then went to America were they set up another zoo i think. Was it a bad zoo? by todays standards yes it was, did it give people a "way into this industry" yes it did,is it fair we should slate it possibly... ive worked in establishments both private and public especially during the early part of my career that were as bad ... does it excuse it ..no it does not.
 
Interesting to read through this discussion and see no comments from a very well known ZooChatter who worked at Guilsborough for the Symingtons, before leaving the zoo industry to follow a very different career.

Personally, I visited three times:

1 - As a day visitor in the Symington era. It was a very pretty site, much nicer than many of its contemporaries. Possibly too steep, unsafely so in places, and enclosure design (there was no evidence of ANY) would have had to have followed the expensive route of terracing enclosures and paths in some form of zig-zag as was done at Penscynor - which it DID NOT! As it was, the Park was a low rent, jumble of ex-pets in shabby, dirty and tiny home made squalid cages, with a silted-up dank, tree-lined ‘pond/lake’ at the bottom of the hill which was home to a single Common Seal. The paddocks behind this looked nice from a distance.

I don’t remember whether it was called Guilsborough Grange Bird Park, Guilsborough Grange Bird and Pet Park, or Guilsborough Grange Wildlife Park at the time - probably the last.

Apart from the house and site, the rest of the place was on par with the bottom end of similar places at the time and comparable with Cromer, Bridgemere, Thorney, Southam, Basildon - etc. Rode and Stagsden were equally shabby, but were owned by people who had a good knowledge of their charges. The
grassed estate car-parks at Guilsborough with their mature park tress were pretty level compared to the zoo itself and were very busy with several rows of cars leading from the house along the drive to the gate-house. It was as busy as any small rural zoo I visited at the time.

2. My second visit was to view the place when it was put up for sale by the Symingtons as a going-concern, (presumably at the time it was purchased by Vince), and we had been sent a glossy expensive country-house style prospectus and three years of accounts by the land agents, along with a personal invitation to see the owners. We were greeted by the Symingtons and invited in for tea into the main drawing room which overlooked the lawns and the valley beyond. They were polite and gracious, and reminded me of any number of similar landed families, (often ex-forces), of the time; quite similar to the Fishers or the Wayres, but with none of their animal knowledge and no interest in obtaining same. There was no indication of the political leanings of the Major’s wife in the rooms we saw, and I understand that her various possessions were reserved to be seen by special guests, presumably following a convivial dinner party.

3. Visit number three was for the auction held by Vince, which was catalogued to contain a good number of animals as well as the usual country-house/farm bits and pieces. The auction was held in the manner of a farm sale, just like those at Midland, Long Sutton and Lilford; and indeed Kilverstone. I can remember an albino Grey Squirrel in a parrot cage going under the hammer, but a number of animals including Spider Monkeys were listed in the sale catalogue, and missing on the day. These at least had been hastily collected pre-auction by Molly Badham, ‘rescued’ perhaps but almost certainly Twyross property.

I am sorry to report that the sale prospectus and the auction catalogue were not kept; those sort of things didn’t seem of interest at the time!

I can also confirm that as stated above, the Petrie's did not buy the Park and it did not become a Pet Crematorium.
But - I think it did have some kind of bizarre pet graveyard, which could be where the latter confusion arose?
 
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Interesting to read through this discussion and see no comments from a very well known ZooChatter who worked at Guilsborough for the Symingtons, before leaving the zoo industry to follow a very different career.

Personally, I visited three times:

1 - As a day visitor in the Symington era. It was a very pretty site, much nicer than many of its contemporaries. Possibly too steep, unsafely so in places, and enclosure design (there was no evidence of ANY) would have had to have followed the expensive route of terracing enclosures and paths in some form of zig-zag as was done at Penscynor - which it DID NOT! As it was, the Park was a low rent, jumble of ex-pets in shabby, dirty and tiny home made squalid cages, with a silted-up dank, tree-lined ‘pond/lake’ at the bottom of the hill which was home to a single Common Seal. The paddocks behind this looked nice from a distance.

I don’t remember whether it was called Guilsborough Grange Bird Park, Guilsborough Grange Bird and Pet Park, or Guilsborough Grange Wildlife Park at the time - probably the last.

Apart from the house and site, the rest of the place was on par with the bottom end of similar places at the time and comparable with Cromer, Bridgemere, Thorney, Southam, Basildon - etc. Rode and Stagsden were equally shabby, but were owned by people who had a good knowledge of their charges. The
grassed estate car-parks at Guilsborough with their mature park tress were pretty level compared to the zoo itself and were very busy with several rows of cars leading from the house along the drive to the gate-house. It was as busy as any small rural zoo I visited at the time.

2. My second visit was to view the place when it was put up for sale by the Symingtons as a going-concern, (presumably at the time it was purchased by Vince), and we had been sent a glossy expensive country-house style prospectus and three years of accounts by the land agents, along with a personal invitation to see the owners. We were greeted by the Symingtons and invited in for tea into the main drawing room which overlooked the lawns and the valley beyond. They were polite and gracious, and reminded me of any number of similar landed families, (often ex-forces), of the time; quite similar to the Fishers or the Wayres, but with none of their animal knowledge and no interest in obtaining same. There was no indication of the political leanings of the Major’s wife in the rooms we saw, and I understand that her various possessions were reserved to be seen by special guests, presumably following a convivial dinner party.

3. Visit number three was for the auction held by Vince, which was catalogued to contain a good number of animals as well as the usual country-house/farm bits and pieces. The auction was held in the manner of a farm sale, just like those at Midland, Long Sutton and Lilford; and indeed Kilverstone. I can remember an albino Grey Squirrel in a parrot cage going under the hammer, but a number of animals including Spider Monkeys were listed in the sale catalogue, and missing on the day. These at least had been hastily collected pre-auction by Molly Badham, ‘rescued’ perhaps but almost certainly Twyross property.

I am sorry to report that the sale prospectus and the auction catalogue were not kept; those sort of things didn’t seem of interest at the time!

I can also confirm that as stated above, the Petrie's did not buy the Park and it did not become a Pet Crematorium.
But - I think it did have some kind of bizarre pet graveyard, which could be where the latter confusion arose?
Major Symington made his money as managing director of Symington soups whose factory was in Market Harborough. Clinton Keeling devoted a chapter on Guilsborough, I think in his book where the Macaw Preened which contains an auctioneer list of animals ,of which birds dominated, plus mention of various items of dead stock (i don't mean dead animals)that were for sale owned by Colin Vince.
 
Major Symington made his money as managing director of Symington soups whose factory was in Market Harborough. Clinton Keeling devoted a chapter on Guilsborough, I think in his book where the Macaw Preened which contains an auctioneer list of animals ,of which birds dominated, plus mention of various items of dead stock (i don't mean dead animals)that were for sale owned by Colin Vince.
Did the family Symington family buy the Grange with the 'soup money' (hic), or had they owned it over the generations?
Yes, that was the auction - good to know the catalogue survived at least in part. I never managed to get hold of a copy of W-t-M-P...
As an aside, just down the road (almost!) from Guilsborough was a much nicer place called at one point Coton Manor Wildife Gardens, later just Coton Manor Gardens without the 'wildlife'. A pristine English country house garden set in front of a pretty manor house, with lots of water, fountains and lily ponds, waterfowl, cranes, flamingos and clipped macaws on stands. Very low key public-wise and not open every day. Small gravel car-park, ice-creams and teas, and a stall with plants for sale. The antithesis of Guilsborough...
 
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Did the family Symington family buy the Grange with the 'soup money' (hic), or had they owned it over the generations?
Yes, that was the auction - good to know the catalogue survived at least in part. I never managed to get hold of a copy of W-t-M-P...
As an aside, just down the road (almost!) from Guilsborough was a much nicer place called at one point Coton Manor Wildife Gardens, later just Coton Manor Gardens without the 'wildlife'. A pristine English country house garden set in front of a pretty manor house, with lots of water, fountains and lily ponds, waterfowl, cranes, flamingos and clipped macaws on stands. Very low key public-wise and not open every day. Small gravel car-park, ice-creams and teas, and a stall with plants for sale. The antithesis of Guilsborough...
Double checked, unfortunately, Clinton never went into detail regarding how the Grange came into the family. You're right about Coton Manor Gardens!
 
Interesting to read through this discussion and see no comments from a very well known ZooChatter who worked at Guilsborough for the Symingtons, before leaving the zoo industry to follow a very different career.

Personally, I visited three times:

1 - As a day visitor in the Symington era. It was a very pretty site, much nicer than many of its contemporaries. Possibly too steep, unsafely so in places, and enclosure design (there was no evidence of ANY) would have had to have followed the expensive route of terracing enclosures and paths in some form of zig-zag as was done at Penscynor - which it DID NOT! As it was, the Park was a low rent, jumble of ex-pets in shabby, dirty and tiny home made squalid cages, with a silted-up dank, tree-lined ‘pond/lake’ at the bottom of the hill which was home to a single Common Seal. The paddocks behind this looked nice from a distance.

I don’t remember whether it was called Guilsborough Grange Bird Park, Guilsborough Grange Bird and Pet Park, or Guilsborough Grange Wildlife Park at the time - probably the last.

Apart from the house and site, the rest of the place was on par with the bottom end of similar places at the time and comparable with Cromer, Bridgemere, Thorney, Southam, Basildon - etc. Rode and Stagsden were equally shabby, but were owned by people who had a good knowledge of their charges. The
grassed estate car-parks at Guilsborough with their mature park tress were pretty level compared to the zoo itself and were very busy with several rows of cars leading from the house along the drive to the gate-house. It was as busy as any small rural zoo I visited at the time.

2. My second visit was to view the place when it was put up for sale by the Symingtons as a going-concern, (presumably at the time it was purchased by Vince), and we had been sent a glossy expensive country-house style prospectus and three years of accounts by the land agents, along with a personal invitation to see the owners. We were greeted by the Symingtons and invited in for tea into the main drawing room which overlooked the lawns and the valley beyond. They were polite and gracious, and reminded me of any number of similar landed families, (often ex-forces), of the time; quite similar to the Fishers or the Wayres, but with none of their animal knowledge and no interest in obtaining same. There was no indication of the political leanings of the Major’s wife in the rooms we saw, and I understand that her various possessions were reserved to be seen by special guests, presumably following a convivial dinner party.

3. Visit number three was for the auction held by Vince, which was catalogued to contain a good number of animals as well as the usual country-house/farm bits and pieces. The auction was held in the manner of a farm sale, just like those at Midland, Long Sutton and Lilford; and indeed Kilverstone. I can remember an albino Grey Squirrel in a parrot cage going under the hammer, but a number of animals including Spider Monkeys were listed in the sale catalogue, and missing on the day. These at least had been hastily collected pre-auction by Molly Badham, ‘rescued’ perhaps but almost certainly Twyross property.

I am sorry to report that the sale prospectus and the auction catalogue were not kept; those sort of things didn’t seem of interest at the time!

I can also confirm that as stated above, the Petrie's did not buy the Park and it did not become a Pet Crematorium.
But - I think it did have some kind of bizarre pet graveyard, which could be where the latter confusion arose?
Interesting to read through this discussion and see no comments from a very well known ZooChatter who worked at Guilsborough for the Symingtons, before leaving the zoo industry to follow a very different career.

Personally, I visited three times:

1 - As a day visitor in the Symington era. It was a very pretty site, much nicer than many of its contemporaries. Possibly too steep, unsafely so in places, and enclosure design (there was no evidence of ANY) would have had to have followed the expensive route of terracing enclosures and paths in some form of zig-zag as was done at Penscynor - which it DID NOT! As it was, the Park was a low rent, jumble of ex-pets in shabby, dirty and tiny home made squalid cages, with a silted-up dank, tree-lined ‘pond/lake’ at the bottom of the hill which was home to a single Common Seal. The paddocks behind this looked nice from a distance.

I don’t remember whether it was called Guilsborough Grange Bird Park, Guilsborough Grange Bird and Pet Park, or Guilsborough Grange Wildlife Park at the time - probably the last.

Apart from the house and site, the rest of the place was on par with the bottom end of similar places at the time and comparable with Cromer, Bridgemere, Thorney, Southam, Basildon - etc. Rode and Stagsden were equally shabby, but were owned by people who had a good knowledge of their charges. The
grassed estate car-parks at Guilsborough with their mature park tress were pretty level compared to the zoo itself and were very busy with several rows of cars leading from the house along the drive to the gate-house. It was as busy as any small rural zoo I visited at the time.

2. My second visit was to view the place when it was put up for sale by the Symingtons as a going-concern, (presumably at the time it was purchased by Vince), and we had been sent a glossy expensive country-house style prospectus and three years of accounts by the land agents, along with a personal invitation to see the owners. We were greeted by the Symingtons and invited in for tea into the main drawing room which overlooked the lawns and the valley beyond. They were polite and gracious, and reminded me of any number of similar landed families, (often ex-forces), of the time; quite similar to the Fishers or the Wayres, but with none of their animal knowledge and no interest in obtaining same. There was no indication of the political leanings of the Major’s wife in the rooms we saw, and I understand that her various possessions were reserved to be seen by special guests, presumably following a convivial dinner party.

3. Visit number three was for the auction held by Vince, which was catalogued to contain a good number of animals as well as the usual country-house/farm bits and pieces. The auction was held in the manner of a farm sale, just like those at Midland, Long Sutton and Lilford; and indeed Kilverstone. I can remember an albino Grey Squirrel in a parrot cage going under the hammer, but a number of animals including Spider Monkeys were listed in the sale catalogue, and missing on the day. These at least had been hastily collected pre-auction by Molly Badham, ‘rescued’ perhaps but almost certainly Twyross property.

I am sorry to report that the sale prospectus and the auction catalogue were not kept; those sort of things didn’t seem of interest at the time!

I can also confirm that as stated above, the Petrie's did not buy the Park and it did not become a Pet Crematorium.
But - I think it did have some kind of bizarre pet graveyard, which could be where the latter confusion arose?
Interesting to read through this discussion and see no comments from a very well known ZooChatter who worked at Guilsborough for the Symingtons, before leaving the zoo industry to follow a very different career.

Personally, I visited three times:

1 - As a day visitor in the Symington era. It was a very pretty site, much nicer than many of its contemporaries. Possibly too steep, unsafely so in places, and enclosure design (there was no evidence of ANY) would have had to have followed the expensive route of terracing enclosures and paths in some form of zig-zag as was done at Penscynor - which it DID NOT! As it was, the Park was a low rent, jumble of ex-pets in shabby, dirty and tiny home made squalid cages, with a silted-up dank, tree-lined ‘pond/lake’ at the bottom of the hill which was home to a single Common Seal. The paddocks behind this looked nice from a distance.

I don’t remember whether it was called Guilsborough Grange Bird Park, Guilsborough Grange Bird and Pet Park, or Guilsborough Grange Wildlife Park at the time - probably the last.

Apart from the house and site, the rest of the place was on par with the bottom end of similar places at the time and comparable with Cromer, Bridgemere, Thorney, Southam, Basildon - etc. Rode and Stagsden were equally shabby, but were owned by people who had a good knowledge of their charges. The
grassed estate car-parks at Guilsborough with their mature park tress were pretty level compared to the zoo itself and were very busy with several rows of cars leading from the house along the drive to the gate-house. It was as busy as any small rural zoo I visited at the time.

2. My second visit was to view the place when it was put up for sale by the Symingtons as a going-concern, (presumably at the time it was purchased by Vince), and we had been sent a glossy expensive country-house style prospectus and three years of accounts by the land agents, along with a personal invitation to see the owners. We were greeted by the Symingtons and invited in for tea into the main drawing room which overlooked the lawns and the valley beyond. They were polite and gracious, and reminded me of any number of similar landed families, (often ex-forces), of the time; quite similar to the Fishers or the Wayres, but with none of their animal knowledge and no interest in obtaining same. There was no indication of the political leanings of the Major’s wife in the rooms we saw, and I understand that her various possessions were reserved to be seen by special guests, presumably following a convivial dinner party.

3. Visit number three was for the auction held by Vince, which was catalogued to contain a good number of animals as well as the usual country-house/farm bits and pieces. The auction was held in the manner of a farm sale, just like those at Midland, Long Sutton and Lilford; and indeed Kilverstone. I can remember an albino Grey Squirrel in a parrot cage going under the hammer, but a number of animals including Spider Monkeys were listed in the sale catalogue, and missing on the day. These at least had been hastily collected pre-auction by Molly Badham, ‘rescued’ perhaps but almost certainly Twyross property.

I am sorry to report that the sale prospectus and the auction catalogue were not kept; those sort of things didn’t seem of interest at the time!

I can also confirm that as stated above, the Petrie's did not buy the Park and it did not become a Pet Crematorium.
But - I think it did have some kind of bizarre pet graveyard, which could be where the latter confusion arose?
IIt’s truly offensive to describe Rode and Stagden as ‘shabby’ . Home made enclosures perhaps, but both collections had excellent breeding records, and birds always well kept. HM Customs placed seized animals at Rode. I knew both collections well
 
IIt’s truly offensive to describe Rode and Stagden as ‘shabby’ . Home made enclosures perhaps, but both collections had excellent breeding records, and birds always well kept. HM Customs placed seized animals at Rode. I knew both collections well
Rode Bird Garden was never shabby. Homemade yes, but
shabby no. All the enclosures were well constructed and everything
of a good standard.
 
IIt’s truly offensive to describe Rode and Stagden as ‘shabby’ . Home made enclosures perhaps, but both collections had excellent breeding records, and birds always well kept. HM Customs placed seized animals at Rode. I knew both collections well
I stand by my comment and we will have to disagree. I knew both collections equally as well as you did, and they were indeed both shabby. I knew Fred Johnson, Peter Kaminsky and Rod Rayment plus Donald Risdon and Mike Curzon personally, and well know their experience. The shabbyness of both has nothing to do with standard of care, knowledge of the owners or results they had. It reflected the standards and expectations of the time. The Pheasant Trusts grounds behind the Norfolk Wildlife Park were very similar, and what you would expect of a game-farm not a zoo, even then - but of course that was a members-only area and not on public exhibit. Much of Stagsden was similarly made of game-farm fence panels lashed together with nets thrown over the top, with only the owl block and Bataleur aviary having any form of solid construction. This is very clearly shown in the series of guide-books produced. Rode was made of chicken wire and rotting larch poles with a disgusting waterfowl pool (quite similar to the 'lake' at Guilsborough) home to the Penguins though and not a Seal. Pictures of this penguin pond can be found on postcards occasionally available on-line. Perhaps I was unlucky enough to have only visited Rode its twylight years, but I visited Stagsden every couple of months over two decades from the age of ten, and had many bird exchanges with both its owners. It was a magical place for a ten year old boy and changed my life, but it was still shabby....
edit - other bird gardens of the era I visited had good results too, were also run by experienced avicultural people and were nicely presented even by modern standards - with Kelling Park, Padstow, Birdworld and the original Birdland springing to mind, also Lilford, Weston Underwood...
 
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I stand by my comment and we will have to disagree. I knew both collections equally as well as you did, and they were indeed both shabby. I knew Fred Johnson, Peter Kaminsky and Rod Rayment plus Donald Risdon and Mike Curzon personally, and well know their experience. The shabbyness of both has nothing to do with standard of care, knowledge of the owners or results they had. It reflected the standards and expectations of the time. The Pheasant Trusts grounds behind the Norfolk Wildlife Park were very similar, and what you would expect of a game-farm not a zoo, even then - but of course that was a members-only area and not on public exhibit. Much of Stagsden was similarly made of game-farm fence panels lashed together with nets thrown over the top, with only the owl block and Bataleur aviary having any form of solid construction. This is very clearly shown in the series of guide-books produced. Rode was made of chicken wire and rotting larch poles with a disgusting waterfowl pool (quite similar to the 'lake' at Guilsborough) home to the Penguins though and not a Seal. Pictures of this penguin pond can be found on postcards occasionally available on-line. Perhaps I was unlucky enough to have only visited Rode its twylight years, but I visited Stagsden every couple of months over two decades from the ages of ten, and had many bird exchanges with both its owners. It was a magical place for a ten year old boy and changed my life, but it was still shabby....
edit - other bird gardens of the era I visited had good results too, were run by experienced avicultural people and were nicely presented even by modern standards - with Kelling Park, Padstow, Birdworld and the original Birdland springing to mind, also Lilford...
As you say, we will have to disagree. Maybe it turns on that word ‘shabby’, although I can’t agree with Rode’s lake being ‘disgusting’ either!
We both seem to have had high regard for most of the places mentioned.
I’m very fond of my local zoo (Axe Valley) which has fairly similar enclosures, with a wonderful collection, good husbandry and a ‘not too shabby’ breeding record.
Anyway, I’m sorry never to have visited Guilsborough Grange, bits of which I’m sure I wouldn’t have liked.
I did send them some Kalij once….
 
As you say, we will have to disagree. Maybe it turns on that word ‘shabby’, although I can’t agree with Rode’s lake being ‘disgusting’ either!
I certainly would never have described Rode's lake as 'disgusting' either. During all my visits it never looked green or silted up at all. As for the 'shabby' description, the lawns were always mown, the gravel paths around the wooded area clean and tidy. I'll allow the aviaries were homemade and made of wood and netting- but how else do you make aviaries on an economic basis ? Everything was very clean and tidy from my memories and I'm one of those folk who immediately notice if they aren't- even as my younger self..
 
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