Asian Elephants in Europe 2025

Yassa said:
It seems München did not screen Otto weekly for the virus, they did not catch it early…. And it seems they did not treat him preventivly with plasma transfusions (as some US zoos have done with sucess lately). I guess they hoped the vaccine would be enough… it may not be as effective as we all hope, or maybe he did not get the second dose yet?
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In their podcast (Podcast "Mia san Tier" - Tierpark Hellabrunn) they told that they reguarely took a blood sample to check for the virus. As preparation thay also took blood plasma from Gajendra and started right after they realized that the virus broke out with a plasma transfusion and giving him antiviral medication. I don't know how often the blood check was done, in the podcast they mentioned that one was done on the day when Rani and Savani arrived, I hope it happened multiple times after that date (21th May). So they not hoped the vaccine would be enough, but also did regularely blood checks and prepared for a EEHV case.

He got the vaccine two weeks before his death so I don't think he got already the second dose yet.
What do you mean with treating him preventivly with plasma transfusions as some US zoos have done with sucess lately? Do these zoos do a plasma transfusion reguarely when they are healthy too?
 
Does wroclaw have any room round the grounds for a larger elephant exhibit? They currently have a tiny antiquated one with two older cows and it seems to promote stereotypical behaviors.
 
Well, there are ongoing talks about buying more land for the zoo (behind the Watusi/sitatunga enclosure). This is with the aim of building new elephant enclosure, from what I've heard for African Elephants. However, the talks have been going on for a long time and it's hard to tell whether it will come into fruition. It's a hard necessity for this zoo in my opinion.
 
Kranich29 said:
Well, there are ongoing talks about buying more land for the zoo (behind the Watusi/sitatunga enclosure). This is with the aim of building new elephant enclosure, from what I've heard for African Elephants. However, the talks have been going on for a long time and it's hard to tell whether it will come into fruition. It's a hard necessity for this zoo in my opinion.
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Interesting that they might plan to phase out Asians and switch to Africans like a couple of US zoos did. I wonder what herd type will be on their agenda
 
Kranich29 said:
Well, there are ongoing talks about buying more land for the zoo (behind the Watusi/sitatunga enclosure). This is with the aim of building new elephant enclosure, from what I've heard for African Elephants. However, the talks have been going on for a long time and it's hard to tell whether it will come into fruition. It's a hard necessity for this zoo in my opinion.
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It is possible they are waiting for one cow to pass away or both. Its an old exhibit with old cows.
 
Kranich29 said:
Well, there are ongoing talks about buying more land for the zoo (behind the Watusi/sitatunga enclosure). This is with the aim of building new elephant enclosure, from what I've heard for African Elephants. However, the talks have been going on for a long time and it's hard to tell whether it will come into fruition. It's a hard necessity for this zoo in my opinion.
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The new director mentioned a Asian themed house for elephants at an interview.
 
Ryley said:
Asian Elephant females Karishma and her daughter Elizabeth have made the journey to Chester zoo in England from Whipsnade Zoo! (Not officially reported as of yet by the zoo but confirmed by a Chester zoo fan page with pictures).
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Can you share the link please? I would love to see.

Thank you.
 
Kranich29 said:
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Well, both of them are old circus retirees. From what I know they still managed to temper their stereotypical behaviours.
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But since it might not be very long before at least one of them passes, the zoo will at least have to consider a future modern exhibit and they're probably already working on it. There are about 3 zoos in Europe that phased out old elephant exhibits with the passing of move of a geriatric cow then after several years they brought them back with brand new spacious habitats for bachelors such as Lodz and Veszprem, and Usti nad Labem is considering building a bull group habitat after they moved their last old cow.
 
The Horse Boy said:
But since it might not be very long before at least one of them passes, the zoo will at least have to consider a future modern exhibit and they're probably already working on it. There are about 3 zoos in Europe that phased out old elephant exhibits with the passing of move of a geriatric cow then after several years they brought them back with brand new spacious habitats for bachelors such as Lodz and Veszprem, and Usti nad Labem is considering building a bull group habitat after they moved their last old cow.
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This is the general way for the future. The EEP has about 23 Asian cows born in the 60s (one even in the 50s) and about 33 cows born in the 70s without offspring. It's just a matter of time when they will be gone. Some of their current holders will certainly stop keeping elephants afterwards, but those who will move on have to be prepared to house bull groups. The number of matrilines is limited.
 
Pongo said:
This is the general way for the future. The EEP has about 23 Asian cows born in the 60s (one even in the 50s) and about 33 cows born in the 70s without offspring. It's just a matter of time when they will be gone. Some of their current holders will certainly stop keeping elephants afterwards, but those who will move on have to be prepared to house bull groups. The number of matrilines is limited.
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Is this part of why Europe has a growing number of Asian bachelor holders?
 
The Horse Boy said:
Is this part of why Europe has a growing number of Asian bachelor holders?
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The initial reason is the high number of male offspring in the last 15 years (about 35 have survived so far). I think the current policy is that every breeder needs to be able to keep male offspring for at least eight years. And those who are building for a female group (not many available) need to make sure that they can host potential male offspring as well.
 
Pongo said:
The initial reason is the high number of male offspring in the last 15 years (about 35 have survived so far). I think the current policy is that every breeder needs to be able to keep male offspring for at least eight years. And those who are building for a female group (not many available) need to make sure that they can host potential male offspring as well.
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I think the EEP is also requiring new exhibits to able house breeding and bachelors groups separately like Wilhema is going to do with their new complex.
 
I just noticed that the Pistoia zoo's last elephant died just last year. It was an older cows, but I wonder what they have planned for that exhibit as it's nice and modern. Another bull group maybe?
 
The Horse Boy said:
I just noticed that the Pistoia zoo's last elephant died just last year. It was an older cows, but I wonder what they have planned for that exhibit as it's nice and modern. Another bull group maybe?
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The barn ain't modern at all. They built the extension a while back, I haven't heard anything about them wanting to get elephants back. It would take a serious investment that they would use elsewhere.
 
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