Zootierliste Goes Worldwide
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They are free to visit for everyone and can be visited at least once a year they fit the criteria.
Asking out of curiosity - Smithsonian Biology Institute in Front Royal; they do open one day a year but you're not actually allowed to really tour the facility or see any animals, I assume they still count despite them basically not allowing the public to see anything?
A correction to this was pointed out to me - they have not done the open day since 2019, making them essentially a closed facility.
It's partially also because adding invertebrates would take an unimaginably long time and most people don't take the time to list all the inverts that the zoo has. Making an exception only for tarantulas doesn't really work
There are no plans to include invertebrates in ZTL going forward - @Animal will doubtless be able to give better explanations, but as I recall the main issues are the longevity point you cite, the number of (often highly-ephemeral) holdings which would need to be taken into consideration, and the fact that accuracy of information added would be significantly reduced by a) lack of detailed signage and b) lack of notes being taken by visitors.
Another issue would be that if we consider adding any group of invertebrates it is possible that someone would ask every time for a new group to be added, leading to eventually asking to add every invertebrate sensu lato (meaning every other animal but the Vertebrata subphylum): needless to say it is a gargantuan amount of work.
It is already pretty difficult to keep up with vertebrate taxonomy, imagine having to add the remaining taxa: count subspecies, sensu lato entries, genus entries (i.e. Apis sp. for species difficult to identify without genetical or up-close analysis), hybrids, species complexes and so on so forth.
According to the Wikipedia page on animals there's roughly 1.500.000 classfied living animal species, with only 65.000 being vertebrates, and around 7.770.000 total estimated species - I imagine intended as living by the way it is phrased.
Now while it is true that not every animal species has been kept in captivity or will be kept (and that Wikipedia should not be trusted as the only source of information as Henry Cavill once said
) it can be debated that given the size of the average invertebrate it could also be the opposite.
And even if not every invertebrate is kept, the majority of kept species are insects, which make a crushing majority of the known taxa and the problem is not eased whatsoever.
There is also already cases of misidentification, the addition of all these taxa would add a hundredfold.
It is already pretty difficult to keep up with vertebrate taxonomy, imagine having to add the remaining taxa: count subspecies, sensu lato entries, genus entries (i.e. Apis sp. for species difficult to identify without genetical or up-close analysis), hybrids, species complexes and so on so forth.
According to the Wikipedia page on animals there's roughly 1.500.000 classfied living animal species, with only 65.000 being vertebrates, and around 7.770.000 total estimated species - I imagine intended as living by the way it is phrased.
Now while it is true that not every animal species has been kept in captivity or will be kept (and that Wikipedia should not be trusted as the only source of information as Henry Cavill once said
) it can be debated that given the size of the average invertebrate it could also be the opposite.And even if not every invertebrate is kept, the majority of kept species are insects, which make a crushing majority of the known taxa and the problem is not eased whatsoever.
There is also already cases of misidentification, the addition of all these taxa would add a hundredfold.
The wish for invertebrates is there. We also try to work out a simplified taxonomy so we don't have a list to scroll forever. But this is just for the case IF we ever add them.
When we added fish it hat years of preparation and even then we first only added endangered fish and way later all others.
When we went worldwide that took 1 1/2 years to prepare and we are still adding institutions and working on it.
So IF (that's a very big if) we ever add invertebrates it will be somewhen in the far future.
When we added fish it hat years of preparation and even then we first only added endangered fish and way later all others.
When we went worldwide that took 1 1/2 years to prepare and we are still adding institutions and working on it.
So IF (that's a very big if) we ever add invertebrates it will be somewhen in the far future.
USZOOfan42
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Is this where you request to add a new facility? If so, The reptarium in Utica, Michigan has will soon open a new facility called the LegaSea Aquarium Reptarium. This facility already has some species and will open this year, The new facility will still be in Utica, Michigan.
When it is open, you can write here, message me directly or put it on the notice board on the homepage itself.
As long as it’s not open yet we won’t add it just now.
Why is Vrouwenpolder (BlueReef Aquarium Zeeland) considered a separate facility from Vrouwenpolder (Deltapark Neeltje Jans)? BlueReef Aquarium is a facility inside Neeltje Jans. You cannot access it without paying the entrance fee to Neeltje Jans, and on Neeltje Jans' website it says this:
"In Deltapark Neeltje Jans' Bluereef aquarium building..."
The building is a part of Neeltje Jans, and not a separate facility.
Was there a reason for separation or just an oversight?
"In Deltapark Neeltje Jans' Bluereef aquarium building..."
The building is a part of Neeltje Jans, and not a separate facility.
Was there a reason for separation or just an oversight?
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It is the exact same location, it would be similar to listing Burgers' Ocean separate from Burgers' Zoo.
There's no separate entrance fee, no separate website, no separate anything. It's just a building on Neeltje Jans' park grounds.
I'd understand if it was separate fees, like Zoo/Aquarium Berlin, but that's not the case
Thank you, I will now update the species list
