Marwell Wildlife Review of my Marwell visit 29/08/09

Gary

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I arrived just after 10AM thinking it might be quieter on a Saturday, even though it was Bank Holiday weekend. There were a fair number of people already there, but it was not packed as yet.
I decided to buy an annual pass as I will be visiting some other zoos on my holiday next week and it will pay for itself.
I already saved some money as I discovered all my camera batteries appeared to be on their last legs so my first visit was to the shop to get some new ones with 10% off.
I visited the Penguin pool first-I didn't see the little fella with the scuba jacket although there were some brown-coated young and a few zipping about in the pool. Not sure yet if any of my photos of them underwater will be any use.
Due to my arthritic hip, I didn't go around the back to the Mara, but continued on. I've said before the Capybara and Rhea enclosures are under-utilised IMO. One Rhea had 4 young including one white one.
The flamingos were hidden from view by overgrown trees and seemed very pale.
The tapirs were laid out in the sun. The baby was well camouflaged against the dry grass and people were passing without seeing it.
One cheetah was laid in full view and the other on the high platform. Sadly neither was easily photographed due to the wire.
The serval in the right hand cage was very active and pacing about-again, the wire prevented a decent picture.
The warthogs were shut in but having a high old time grooming each other.
Two of the congo buffalo had a bit of a scuffle with much shoving and huffing, which I photographed from the viewing platform. The sable antelope were some distance off. I also visited the bongo house-didn't see the potto which was a shame. Got a nice picture of the basking nile monitor.
4 giraffe were in a small field next to the giraffe house. I got some nice pics of the colobus monkeys who were charging about, banging off the glass. The porcupine were being shut in while their cage was cleaned.
The de Brazza's monkey were also very active outside.
First big disappointment-no sign of the Amur Leopards.
Did see the Gemsbok and Dama Gazelle from the raised walkway. I popped into the bat house which reminded me of my late lamented pet rats frrom the smell and squeaking noises.
Next I went into the African exhibit which was new since my last visit. Very impressive but all that were in sight were a few Grevy's Zebra, two Giraffe and 4 Ostrich right in the far distance. I stopped here for a sandwich but was menaced by wasps-one species I wouldn't mind going extinct.
Viewed the Addax and Arabian Gazelle-one inside was very photogenic and stood for ages cocking its head and gazing into my camera lens-very bambi-like.
The sand cats were also a no-show, although the baby tortoises were charging about-and where have the Fennec foxes gone?
Over to the tigers-another letdown. Those on the left were shut way and only one was on the right, although he did huff back when I greeted him. I do feel that enclosure needs updating as apart from the viewing panels it hasn't changed since Marwell opened.
I noticed the old gazelle/gerenuk houses were empty-the first of a number of empty exhibits.
The meerkat enclosure has been remodeled since my last visit when there were smaller pits that also held skunk and another species.
Saw the Nyala-the male was separated from the rest of the herd. The Okapi were in their yards, licking each other's faces.
Next walked up to the Ocelot and got a few pics of 2 outside. Sadly some bratty little girl screamed her head off and the cats fled indoors. The father said "You frightened them indoors" and I muttered "She probably frightened my cats in Bishops Waltham" under my breath. 2 large ladies who wore sensible shoes, to borrow a phrase from Robin Williams were walking around at the same pace as me, and laughed when they heard what I said. I don't know why parents take such young kids out when they can't even understand what they are seeing. Still..
Turned the corner and dropped down past the Somali wild ass who were hidden behind theifr house. The Roan Antelope were now in a pretty small paddock considering the sizeable herd, including several young.
The white-tailed Gnu were on display but again the cage wire stopped me getting a great picture.
The Coati young were very amusing, diving in and out of the netting in thier pit. The Red Panda were as usual high in their tree.
I was surprised that the large field where the Roan used to be was occupied by a very small group of Ankole and their old field was empty.
Took some good reptile pics in the Encounter Village. The Tamarin walk was closed and I didn't bother with the Australian walk as I could not see anything in there.
The Celebes Ape were in their cage, presumably due to the fence jumping incident recently.
The Siamang and Otter enclosures were also new since my last visit and I enjoyed them both, the Siamang were in a big grooming heap, and were pushing their arms through the netting to grab at plants.
Took some pics of the Fossas. I was most amused when one of the Lion Tamarin babies leapt on the cage wire and the skinhead next to me swore as he thought the tiny monkey was going to get him. What a wuss!
The lemurs were also a disappointment-only the red-ruffed and gentle lemurs were on display-where are the ring-tails and black and white ruffed?
I didn't go into the wildlife art exhibition or around the Hall grounds due to time and my hip(!).
Also did not bother with the Tropical House but went on to the Rhinos-only 3 now (my Dad told me later that he has a friend who works in the local slaughterhouse and they had a rhino from Marwell in there last year sometime). Very impressed with the long horns on 2 of them. One was pushing the Greater Kudu herd about.
Didn't see much after that-no Babirusa or Takin, although the Peccaries were all foraging. No sign of any Kangaroo and the Cassowary and Wallabies have now gone. Only one Snow Leopard seen, sleeping on it's back right in front of the viewing window, but someone had put a dead shrub in front of the window, so it was still difficult to get a good shot.
There were a lot of empty enclosures on both sides along this part of the park.
The young Pygmy Hippo was very funny and clambered all over it's mum, ducking her underwater and sitting on her head.
Finally one Giant Anteater was outside and the other fast asleep in a hairy pile. Strange-smelling creatures-vaguely chemical.
After a quick visit to the shop-sadly very tacky nowadays I finally left at 2.30, very footsore after 4 and 1/2 hours.
My final conclusions-it seems much work is either in the works or needed to fill the large number of empty enclosures and I would like to see the cat collection brought back up to strength-how about some African Leopards for the African Zone, bring back the Jaguars, Lynx, Sumatran Tigers and Gir Lions. And what about Bengal Tiger and Chinese Tiger, Scottish Wild Cat, Pallas Cat, Puma or Fishing Cat?
And where have all the deer gone? Once upon a time there were Pere David's, Muntjac and several others.
Next stops will be London Zoo and London Sealife.
 
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Wow, it must've been ages since you last visited Marwell! Many of the species you mentioned left years ago. I'll go through some of your points and provide a response. ;)

The flamingo's colour is purely down to the fact that they are greater flamingoes and naturally paler in pigmentation.
The last de brazza's monkeys left in 1999, you probably mean the Diana Monkeys.
The larger enclosure has strong privacy in places, and they can access their off-show indoor quaters at any point, amongst various other reasons.
A waterbuck herd also lives in the valley, so they were either on their hardstanding or hiding out of sight. More animals are going to be added to the valley over time.
The sand cats again have some good hiding places, and those weren't baby tortoises you saw, they were adult Egyptian Tortoises. The Fennec Foxes left about 1997/8, not even I can remember them.
I don't think Marwell ever kept Gerenuk in the past.
The meerkat/dwarf mongoose enclosures were merged in 1999 to create one whole enclosure for the meerkats.
The Roan Antelope moved out of that paddock around 2006, and the ankole moved there with the intention of making their paddock phase 2 of the Australian Biome, a paddock for the emus and kangaroos. This however has been put on hold due to low funds.
There's been a few lemur off-shows recentley, but as I was away I don't know the full details of it.
The last babirusa died earlier this year, and the takin were probably inside unless you went into their house. The kangaroo have moved to a yard opposite their old enclosure and can hide indoors if they please. The wallabies are in the Bush Walk and the cassowaries left at some point in the eighties. Yasmin is indeed Marwell's only snow leopard at the mo, but a young pair are arriving soon.

Marwell are currently revising their animal plan, so that explains a lot of empty enclosures, though some of them were as I pointed out just no-shows. I agree that Marwell should get it's cat collection back to it's former heights. And as for the deer, the Pere Davids, Fallow and Sika left during the eighties, the Sambar, Axis and Hog around the mid-90's, the Muntjac in 2005 and the Pudu earlier this year.
 
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why did the deer leave?

marwell haven't kep arabian gazelle for years, you must mean dama or dorcas gazelle
 
Just as most other animals leave, you don't keep all the same species forever!
 
Hi MD!
Yes-I did mean Diana Monkeys-it jus dawned on me.
Yep-it's been around 3-4 years since I last visited-it's only lately that I am well enough again to walk around so far.
Also, don't forget, I've been going since Marwell opened in the early 70's when I was 6 or 7 so my recollection of animals having been there that may have long since gone that probably seem more recent than they really are-memory starts to play tricks on you when you get older!
Hopefully I will be attending more often from now on.
Here are some blasts from the past:
I am prettty sure that they did have Gerenuk in the antelope stables next to the Tiger enclosures at one point-the Dama Gazelle were also in there.
One animal I never did see but I have memories of it being in the early guide books was the Goral-I don't know if they ever did arrive.
I do remember seeing Impala, Blackbuck, Nilgai, Eland, Wisent and African Lions (which were in the cage next to the Gir Lions).
All the pheasants that were in large aviaries near the Tigers also appear to have gone now.
There was a very overgrown enclosure behind the haunted walk which used to house a massive donkey as well.
In the old quarantine yard, there was a pair of Sumatran Tigers who were there for many years, and I also remember seeing a Wombat in there as well (my only sighting of one).
There were at least 2 Asian wild ass species-I can't recall exactly which ones-were either Kiang, Kulan or Onager.
There were also the recxonstructed Tarpan horses, which were kept to parallel the Przewalski's horses.
The peccaries used to be kept in a high-walled old-style pigsty next to a massive Wild Boar which had been caught by the police in a garden (the female was shot and killed).
There were Malayan Tapir in the Hippo House at one point as well.
The afore-mentioned De Brazza's monkeys were in the African area, as were the African Hunting Dogs, around the area where the storks & cranes aviary now stands.
At one stage, the zoo had both black leopards and black jaguars.
One of my faves, the Maned Wolf, was kept where the cheetahs now live-I loved "the fox on stilts".
I also remember the Black Rhinos who both died rather tragically.
At one stage, I remember the zoo also held guanaco, llama and vicuna-not sure if they ever had the alpaca to complete the set!
It is amazing how many animals have left and are no longer kept-you could stock another zoo!
 
Wow, that's one for nostalgia!

I've seen a complete, multi-year inventory of Marwell since it opened, and I don't remember seeing Gerenuk on it. However, it's possible they could've been breif residents.
There's a picture of a Goral in The Story So Far, and I believe they arrived but never went on show.
The bison were kept in the sitatunga paddock, which I can imagine as a brilliant setting for them. It'd be nice to see another forest cattle species kept in that paddock again the future.
Yep, those aviaries were demolished in 2000.
That would've been the potiou donkey. His paddock houses a Somali Wild Ass stallion now.
That was Willie the Wombat, who died in 1987 I think.
There was Kulan up until 1999, and I think the others were Onager.
The Wild Boar was called Winston, and was kept on the site of the old gibbon enclosure.
Malayan Tapirs were in the SAM house up until 2005.
De Brazza's were in what became the Free-Range Tamarin area, which was demolished when they moved to Encounter Village.
I don't think they had alpaca, but the vicuna left very recentley, only a few months ago so the black wildebeest could be accomodated.

I'm making another trip to Marwell tommorow, and I'll certainly bear this all in mind. Hope this helps. ;)
 
I remember the pair of Goral from the very early days of Marwell , on show where the Nyala are now I think . MOST DEFINITELY Marwell never had Gerenuk or African Lions , there were two pairs of Asian Lions from Berlin and Jersey , though I think the Berlin ones were proved to be not pure . I think a pair of Sumatran Tigers were displayed in one of the top Tiger enclosures at one time .
 
I don't think Marwell kept sambar, maybe you are mistaking them for the barasingha.
 
marwell did keep african lions

malayan and brazzilian tapir have been kept with the hippo all together in the same house at one point, hopefully the collection will be re-stocked in the future
 
I am sure that Marwell's first lions were the young 'Asian' pair purchased by the Marwell Zoological Society through fund-raising - which I was involved with - from East Berlin Zoo . I have a vague memory of the cost being £15,000 , zooboy would be able to confirm this . Some time later it was found that the E. Berlin stock was not pure . A second pair , which I think Jersey had originally acquired from India but not bred from , arrived some time later . Various combinations of the 4 were tried but I don't believe any cubs were born .
 
marwell did keep african lions

malayan and brazzilian tapir have been kept with the hippo all together in the same house at one point, hopefully the collection will be re-stocked in the future
Please can you post the source you found for Marwell keeping African Lions because all the people that are saying they didn`t are all people that realy should know if they did keep them or not!!
 
There was Kulan up until 1999, and I think the others were Onager.
The Wild Boar was called Winston, and was kept on the site of the old gibbon enclosure.

Marwell originally held both kulan & Onager.

They had Swamp Deer(from Whipsnade) but not Sambar.

The wild boar was found living wild near Basingstoke. It was originally named 'Coulson' but may have been renamed more attractively. He was originally housed in one of the Tiger quarantine cages in the old stableyard. A female boar was acquired as a companion but escaped into the countryside almost immediately it arrived and I don't think it was ever recaptured.

Their first lions were the Indian(x) mentioned above. No African lions. I think the confusion my arise because of their impurity.

No Gerenuks. I'm not sure they ever kept Eland antelope.

During its life, Marwell has seen an unusually large turnover of species really, particularly the Ungulates.
 
I can confirm this from Marwell: The Story So Far

The year (1978) saw some notable arrivals too, the rarest being a pair of Asiatic lions, which had been purchased for the then, considerable sum of £6,000 by the Marwell Zoological Society. These lions had been captive bred in East Berlin, and were later joined by the elderly pair from the Jersey Wildlife Preservation Trust, thus making Marwell holder of all the Asiatic lions in Britain. It had been hoped that the Jersey animals, although not likely to breed themselves, would trigger breeding behaviour between the other pair. It did not, which, with later knowledge, was just as well, as genetic research undertaken in the United States of America discovered that at some time in the past African lions had been crossed with Asiatic animals and therefore much of the captive stick was not pure. This was a serious set-back to the conservation of the Asiatic lion, as it's numbers in the Gir Forest - it's only wild refuge - was under 300, and it's future survival may well rest on those in captivity. Marwell has continued to keep the lions, but will not breed from them until pure stock is avaliable.

So even Cat-Man's apparent source is false. I rest the case, no African lions at Marwell.
 
My memory of how much the lions cost was on the high side !

Marwell received a pair of eland in 1979 , a female being born that year with a male being born in 1979 . A male departed in 1980 and a female was euthanased after repeated prolapses during pregnancy . The remaining pair was sent to Knowsley in 1982 after no further births . ( source Marwell Annual Reports ) .

From memory I think they were housed in the area where the rhinos are now .

I believe the wild boar was named after the local Policeman .
 
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