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I last went to London Zoo in 2005 and they had an Amur Leopard there, dunno if its still there. As far as i know the tigers had a single cub very early on, then nothing, as for the lions, Ruchi had a few litters, but the last were born in 1999 as i said. Do you think it is because the males and females are constantly kept together, that they have become too familar with one another, and so the female doesn't come into season?
 
The New Cat Terraces haven't really had the success that was hoped. I believe London thought that with bringing the cats into realistic enclosures with fresh air, would lead to regular births. Lions and Tigers are the only cat species left on the terraces, if i recall correctly and they have had very few cubs between them...

i haven't double-checked my facts, so correct me if i'm wrong

What about Serval?

On my first visit I remember, (2001) Clouded Leopard, Amur Leopard, Lion, Tiger and Sand Cat.

As far as I know, the leopard pen is now part of the lions enclosure, and some time ago serval replaced the clouded leopards (2005 ish). Last time I visited there were also Francois Langur and Spider Monkeys in this part of the zoo. I can't remember if the servals were there then (2007), maybe they moved to make way for the monkeys. Its a bit of maze this area- and kind of in need for a change. How old is the cat area?

I'm visiting on Friday, will have a peek. Hopefully be able to tell you about the bird house too.
 
According to the London Zoo wikipedia article (much improved recently, by the way!) it lists a renovation of the cat terraces as a new development!

I think it is nearly 30 years old now...
 
For some reason they seem to have cut the number of cat species kept- the last time I went two or three enclosures contained spare monkeys....

I think this is the next area of the zoo in need of a fresh overhaul now...

Just seen Chris's post above- pretty much the same comments...
 
I think that they needed somewhere to put the monkeys when they knocked down most of the Sobell Pavilions to build the new gorilla area.
I hope it's a temporary solution. I don't think they are awfully suitable enclosures for the spider monkeys or langurs. The ZSL can and should do better by these species.

Alan
 
Did they get rid of some small cats to free up the enclosures for the surplus primates? They certainly don't look right there- its a real mishmash of an exhibit, neither one thing nor another... I think I'd prefer to see them build some new enclosures for these monkeys at Whipsnade- they're very short on medium-sized primates there...
 
A complete face-lift for the (New) Cat Terraces is long overdue. It is fine if both Asian lions and Sumatran tigers remain, but they should look at a totally Asian theme and with the monkeys - especially the Francois langurs - and perhaps some other SE Asian species would make a wonderful new exhibit.
 
A complete face-lift for the (New) Cat Terraces is long overdue. It is fine if both Asian lions and Sumatran tigers remain, but they should look at a totally Asian theme and with the monkeys - especially the Francois langurs - and perhaps some other SE Asian species would make a wonderful new exhibit.

Yeah they could send the Serval to Whipsnade and place them near the african lions continuing the african savannah theme over there.

If ZSL still wanted to keep spider monkeys, they could go near the clore forest lookout (assuming that there is space up there for a monkey exhibit, which i doubt) or even put them on the Mappin terrace!
 
If the mappin terraces were given to spectacled bears then your spider monkey plan would work brilliantly. Is there any space for the servals near the giraffes??
 
Is there any space for the servals near the giraffes??

Not unless they move one of the pig species out, perhaps the RR hog could be mixed with the okapi...

Edit: on second thoughts, there probably isn't enough space, perhaps the tapirs could be moved elsewhere in the zoo and a big group of RR hogs take over the tapir wing of the cotton terrace. (It would also mean the giraffe house is flanked by two 'forest' houses).
 
Oh please god no I hope the spider monkeys don't end up on the mappins having to dodge a couple of spectacled bears!....

And hopefully the lovely okapi paddock won't be dug up by the red river hogs....yr right the tapir enclosure could be great, if the camels moved back to the old house and the hippos had the camel paddock full time then hey presto you have a perfect Malayan tapir enclosure....but I do agree, the cat terraces have never really bred...cats, with the notable exception of the lions, which have done fairly well.
 
UK Asian lion developments.

It seems Cotswold jumped the gun a bit announcing birth of cubs at ZSL. They obviously DNS. Maybe another litter will come soon though?

I hadn't realised the ex Bristol male 'Chandra' is the brother of Cotswold's previous male(Sabu(?)-father of the current London male) Cotswold seem to hope this new pair will breed again though both are 13+ and Chandra is being moved because of lack of fertility at Bristol. Maybe having a new partner will help though.

The 'new' Bristol pair are also aged 13+ Although 'Kamal' came from Twycross he was previously at London too.
 
as for the lions, Ruchi had a few litters, but the last were born in 1999 as i said. Do you think it is because the males and females are constantly kept together, that they have become too familar with one another, and so the female doesn't come into season?

This is a familiar problem with several species where pairs are kept together longterm. However Cotswold WP announced that ZSL produced cubs in 2006 fathered by their new young male (Lucifer) which was bred at Cotswold. They evidently DNS. It seems a change of partners did the trick though...at least once.
 
And hopefully the lovely okapi paddock won't be dug up by the red river hogs.....

Yes, I don't think r.r. hogs (or other pigs) are the best choice for mixed exhibits in relatively small enclosures such as London, because of the digging aspect. Okay somewhere large though e.g. they could easily keep the ones at Whipsnade in a mixed exhibit. I imagine sooner or later ZSL will lose their current interest in pigs,(currently 3 species) and maybe shift the Red River Hogs out to Whipsnade (likethe Arabian Oryx before them) and house yet something else new in those enclosures.
 
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I spent a little time at ZSL London this morning, I didn't have time for most of the 'houses', but here are a few notes from what I did see:

Gorilla kingdom starts with the new walk-through flight, holding starlings, green wood hoopoe and touracos etc, probably not suitable for breeding but impressive. The zoo say they are letting the colobus onto the island some mornings now, and mixing all three gorillas for short periods each day. They plan to mix all the gorillas with the colobus this summer. Zaire appeared to be far less plucked that she was last year. The island has been planted with new grasses, which aren't hotwired. The one live tree is also not hotwired. The diana monkeys were supposedly being rotated with some ring-tailed lemurs temporarily but there was no sign of the lemurs.

The flamingos and pelicans were separated with a wire fence, I only saw 7 pelicans, they seem to be slowly decreasing in number.

One of the anteaters was continually pacing inside the night quarters, but they had access to the outdoor enclosure the whole time.

The tigers were separated, apparently they have had problems with aggression, she was in the old leopard cage at the back of the lion house and was continually pacing a small section of wire.

The langurs I'm pretty sure have the old clouded leopard cage, the sulawesi macaques the one next to this (held red pandas and ocelot before), the spider monkeys have the old jaguar cage near the tigers which is adjacent to the smallest cat cage (formerly housing caracals, pumas) which holds the serval. Most of the glass viewing for the lions was boarded up. The wildfowl from three island pond (eg the red-breasted geese) now appeared to be held in the wader flight on the lion terraces.

The squirrel monkey area looks now like one huge shrubbery - plently of bushes but very few trees the monkeys can access. The mara are in this enclosure now.

The scarlet ibis are in a flight immediately next to the squirrel monkey sleeping quarters, it is much smaller than the african bird safari they were previously held in.
(I posted notes on the blackburn pavillion on the 'new bird house' thread). Opposite this aviary, the top half of the old australia paddock has become a giant bird-shaped climbing frame/play area for children. The lower half of this paddock and the australia house (old camel house) itself was a building site.

The children's zoo has flights next to the llamas for seriama and black vulture, I assume used in the demonstrations on the lawn nearby.

I could only see 7 bearded pigs in 'Zoo World'. The hippo area is smaller than ever, as the new inner barrier and boxes for tropical plants take up areas of the previous enclosure. A terrible exhibit. Also, what appears to be outside enclosures for the hippos to use (part of the camel paddock sectioned off for this) were both occupied by crested porcupines. One of the 'grottos' on each side was full of temporary small enclosures, which I think had held the clore stock while that was being refurbished and last year the birds from the blackburn pavillion. Now both these areas were sectioned off and empty of animals.

Paths and viewing areas seem to encroach onto the summer hippo paddock more than when I last visited, it could be my memory though.

The smaller Komodo dragon enclosure hold a young aldraban tortoise, apparently until the juvenile dragons still at the zoo are large enough to go into it.

Bear mountain was very quiet, no sign of the langurs and one sleeping bear right at the back of the exhibit. With the birds and most of the monkeys gone, I can see why this exhibit doesn't really work when the bears aren't active.

The tapirs were not visible, which pleases me as I previously thought they had no privacy since the houses reopened in 2004. The tapir and okapi houses basically have false walls built across them so visitors can only see the first couple of stalls on either side, and the back of the houses are now off-exhibit service areas. The old gazelle paddock fence was covered in boards and its occupants therefore not visible. One of the giraffes had damaged it's leg and was inside. One of the okapi was stood sucking the bars of the paddock gate for the entire time I was at the cotton terraces. However, they both seemed far less nervous than Marwell's animals.

The hunting dogs were active and their enclosure is much larger than it appears in photographs, in my opinion one of the best exhibits at the zoo now.

The old beaver enclosure was now empty of meerkats and awaiting refurbishment.

The clore rainforest lookout - The right-hand corridor as you enter was closed off, this included the small outdoor part, but the nearest in this row of exhibits was holding male squirrel monkeys, possibly new arrivals. The agoutis and goeldis have been moved out of the main exhibit, replaced by yellow-footed tortoises. There was a great deal of damage to the trees but it still looks fantastic. I only saw one rather scruffy-looking hen aracari here, possibly it was moulting. The night zone had several reptile and amphibian exhibits, the bat exhibit looks very dated and now only holds six or seven fruit bats, I wish they'd just fill it with sand and a huge group of spiny mice/jerboas...panay cloudrunners were in the old leadbeater's opossum exhibit, potoroo still have the area they have always occupied after the bat enclosure. The run of mouse/shrew tanks were combined and held feather-tailed gliders.

The aye-aye (indoor roundhouse) area was closed for some refurbishment.

The old owl aviaries near the nursery were combined as one and held lovebirds, weavers, combassau finches and a bali starling. The hatchery was closed. The old lorikeet aviaries held burrowing owls in an even smaller area than before, plus a pair of fruit doves, bleeding heart doves etc. The main owl aviaries were still pretty untouched in terms of size, the largest (though not at all large) held spectacled owls with a young chick hatched this year, both breeding pairs of frogmouths, barred, scops and hawk owls. The old pheasant flights were mostly holding hornbills, malayan black, sulawesi tarictic, imperial pigeons, touracos, and a keel-billed toucan.

I've posted photos of some of the enclosures now, if you search London Zoo in the gallery.
 
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