I had a look but I don't take photos of houses unless it occurs to that they may be of interest on here and I haven't!
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Okay, thanks though. They showed a little of it on Monkey Life, I think next week they will show the outdoor part.
I was thinking about improvements that could be made at the park, the main thing that comes to mind would be to build large enclosures for all the gibbons but I can only imagine this would cost a lot and take up a lot of room too. Also would be nice to see Pet's Corner used for something now its all gone.
Oh... and they mentioned on Monkey Life that the old capuchin house (now for woolies) was an old Chimp house, is that true? I know its not the old nursey house because thats where the gibbons are near the entrance isn't it?
I was thinking about improvements that could be made at the park, the main thing that comes to mind would be to build large enclosures for all the gibbons but I can only imagine this would cost a lot and take up a lot of room too. Also would be nice to see Pet's Corner used for something now its all gone.
Oh... and they mentioned on Monkey Life that the old capuchin house (now for woolies) was an old Chimp house, is that true? I know its not the old nursey house because thats where the gibbons are near the entrance isn't it?
Ah, so that was their quarantine cage? I get it.
The park has just announced Hsiao Ning is moving to Rostock Zoo in Germany to live with a male and another female. Sad to see her go, she is such a character but I think she has out grown the nursery and she either needed to be put in a new group or moved to a new zoo.
The park has just announced Hsiao Ning is moving to Rostock Zoo in Germany to live with a male and another female. Sad to see her go, she is such a character but I think she has out grown the nursery and she either needed to be put in a new group or moved to a new zoo.
Gigit
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That's great news if she's going to be breeding - some valuable genes being spread around!
Gigit
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I'm a bit surprised that Monkey World is almost apologising for Hsaio Ning's move and can't imagine any other zoo doing this. I've always hoped that they would start sharing those wild born orangutan genes. Zoochatters must be made of sterner stuff than the average Monkey World visitor (although I qualify on both counts)! I suppose it's because they actively encourage visitors to get to know the animals individually.
This is from their Facebook page:
Hsiao Ning is moving home!
As you are aware, we have been trying to graduate Ning into one of our adult groups for a very long time now, all to no avail and at 9 years old she is no longer a baby and really should be with adult orang-utans now. Despite any sadness you may feel, I would ask everyone to please understand that we have to do what's best for Hsaio Ning, not what suits us and to keep Ning for the rest of her life in the nursery group is not in her best interest.
A fantastic opportunity has come up for Hsaio Ning at a new state of the art ape complex at Rostock Zoo in Germany, DARWINEUM im ZOO Rostock: Fotos. Hsaio Ning will not be on her own, she will be with Sabas, a young male orang-utan who was born at Rostock Zoo and another 9 year old female called Miri will also be joining them, it will be a great opportunity for Hsaio Ning to mature and develop with others who are of a similar age and size to her. No more scary introductions with fully grown adult males! Jeremy and Lluis will be travelling with Ning next week and will stay with her until she is settled, we will of course keep you updated of her progress.
I know that Ning is very special to all of you, she's very special to us to, we will miss her terribly, but we must put our personal feelings aside and do what's right for Hsiao Ning.
This is from their Facebook page:
Hsiao Ning is moving home!
As you are aware, we have been trying to graduate Ning into one of our adult groups for a very long time now, all to no avail and at 9 years old she is no longer a baby and really should be with adult orang-utans now. Despite any sadness you may feel, I would ask everyone to please understand that we have to do what's best for Hsaio Ning, not what suits us and to keep Ning for the rest of her life in the nursery group is not in her best interest.
A fantastic opportunity has come up for Hsaio Ning at a new state of the art ape complex at Rostock Zoo in Germany, DARWINEUM im ZOO Rostock: Fotos. Hsaio Ning will not be on her own, she will be with Sabas, a young male orang-utan who was born at Rostock Zoo and another 9 year old female called Miri will also be joining them, it will be a great opportunity for Hsaio Ning to mature and develop with others who are of a similar age and size to her. No more scary introductions with fully grown adult males! Jeremy and Lluis will be travelling with Ning next week and will stay with her until she is settled, we will of course keep you updated of her progress.
I know that Ning is very special to all of you, she's very special to us to, we will miss her terribly, but we must put our personal feelings aside and do what's right for Hsiao Ning.
People care about her and many regular visitors have known her since she was a baby and expected to see her grow up and stay at Monkey World in Gordon's group.
Zoochatters are definitely made of different, not necessarily sterner, stuff because they just see genes that should be spread around whilst to a very large number of MW visitors, let alone staff, Hsaio-ning is an individual that they've got a relationship with.
Zoochatters are definitely made of different, not necessarily sterner, stuff because they just see genes that should be spread around whilst to a very large number of MW visitors, let alone staff, Hsaio-ning is an individual that they've got a relationship with.
Gigit
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I yield to no one with my love for orangutans and have spent many happy times with Hsaio-Ning, who is very endearing and definitely not 'just genes'. But it's not the end of the world, she's not dead, she hasn't been sold to the circus, she's just going to what looks like a wonderful new home not a million miles away in Germany.
I expect many Twycross visitors have known Miri since she was a baby and will be sad to see her go, but I doubt that Twycross will apologise. Likewise, my, and many other's, favourite gorilla at Paignton is about to leave for London. We, and the staff, will miss him but we know it's for his good, not ours. He's not our pet, he and his valuable genes are part of the European breeding programme. That's probably something Zoochatters find easier to get to grips with than some other zoogoers.
While the chimps and some other species will obviously stay at MW, realistically I don't feel this can be the case with the breeding orangs, unless they are going to build more and more enclosures. All well and good if they are, of course.
I agree, it's hardly an issue that she's leaving. Whereas it can be nice to have known a certain zoo animal from a young age, we have to realise that these zoo animals do need to move on for breeding, because if none did then we'd either end up with no orangs, or worse some very inbred ones!
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It always has and always will be Monkey World's approach, they seem very protective to keep their primates, this may be down to Alison not wanting to let her primates go to another collection where she doesn't know how they will be treated (although most likely they will be treated very well).. Monkey World is very different from other zoos as we already know and I think they are very clingy with their animals. I love the place but this is one of their main flaws and they seem very reluctant to let animals go.
He is a she!
"We" can choose to feel how we like and many people have known HN all her life and they care that she is going. Full stop!
I do agree that it looks like a good facility that she is moving to.
Much as I love seeing great apes I am getting very depressed about their lives in the zoo system, moved here and there because 'it's good for the breeding programme', the likes of Kevin shoved off into a corner because something more 'interesting' came up as discussed on Zoochat recently, excess male orangutans that nobody really wants, excess male gorillas bundled together into groups with fingers crossed that they will tolerate each other. At least thankfully chimp groups can hold more than one male. However good a zoo is there's always the likelyhood that the babies brought up in great conditions will be sent somewhere not as good for the good of the 'breeding programme'.
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crust2007
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As a visitor and supporter of mw for over five years id like to say hsiao ning is a wonderful orang and i do think she should have the chance to move to this zoo and see how she gets on. If this works out then ill be really happy for her.however if she still acts the same as she did with gordon then she should return to mw. I do not see mw as being clingy,they have raised and loved and cared for hsiao ning since she was born and they deserve to know she will go to a good home where she will receive the same standards of loveand care she has always had at mw.
zoogiraffe
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They are indeed different as they are NOT a zoo!
Gigit
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What actually happened when she was mixed with Gordon? She's always seemed very human-orientated.
I'm sure MW checked everything before agreeing to her going to Rostock.
mazfc
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I'd like to comment on the thought that MW seem to be apologising for sending her to Germany.
I think that as this is a monkey world first they were just heading the outcry off at the pass.*Visitors (including me) get very attached to the individuals at monkey world, to me she isn't another orang she's xsaio-ning with all her quirks and moods and teeth flashing.
For me they didn't need to 'apologise' but I really aporeciayed that they knew that I (and others) care enough to want to know the ins and outs of the move. Monkey world promotes the individual and k ow that there will be people here who agree and others who disagree with this approach.
I think the move is a good plan, building a young group without the presence of a flanged male will hopefully be easier for her to deal with.
I think that as this is a monkey world first they were just heading the outcry off at the pass.*Visitors (including me) get very attached to the individuals at monkey world, to me she isn't another orang she's xsaio-ning with all her quirks and moods and teeth flashing.
For me they didn't need to 'apologise' but I really aporeciayed that they knew that I (and others) care enough to want to know the ins and outs of the move. Monkey world promotes the individual and k ow that there will be people here who agree and others who disagree with this approach.
I think the move is a good plan, building a young group without the presence of a flanged male will hopefully be easier for her to deal with.
Apologies for the gender mix up, I've edited that now.
As for 'because it's good for the breeding programme' - I'm sorry, but generally the breeding programme is why a lot of animals are in zoos, not for our enjoyment [that is an aside] - yes some animals don't breed in zoos for one reason or another, hence I've said generally.
Imagine if no great ape ever moved from one collection to another, it would be interesting to see how long it would be before there were either none left, or over-crowded exhibits of inbred animals!
If you care that she's going and that she'll be harder/impossible for you and other visitors to see again, that's fair enough - you're all entitled to that opinion - but you must see why animals move from time to time?
Of course I see why animals have to move from time to time, I'm not an idiot!
1) I was answering the comment about why Monkey World made the announcement the way they did, the way people relate to their animals, why Monkey World's Facebook followers would feel upset at HN's move. People who go to Twycross have always known Miri would probably move, no one following Monkey World expected that Hsaio Ning would move.
2) I feel very sad that we are failing a very large number of the great apes kept in zoos
1) I was answering the comment about why Monkey World made the announcement the way they did, the way people relate to their animals, why Monkey World's Facebook followers would feel upset at HN's move. People who go to Twycross have always known Miri would probably move, no one following Monkey World expected that Hsaio Ning would move.
2) I feel very sad that we are failing a very large number of the great apes kept in zoos
You can argue for hours but they are just the same as any other collection in the UK, call it a zoo or not.