Could marijuana farms be a potential zoo funding source?

DavidBrown

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In the 2012 elections some states in the U.S. passed ballot propositions legalizing personal marijuana use. Legalized medical marijuana seems to increasingly be the norm. I know that many countries have much more liberal drug laws than the U.S. does.

Many zoos have gardens and farms of varying kinds for educational purposes and to grow food and browse for their collections. Can anyone imagine a zoo adding a LEGAL marijuana garden to their collection in order to provide operating revenue and funding for new exhibits?

As a non-drug user (contrary to nanoboy's comments on some of my poll posts) I would think this would be insane and a non-starter, but in a world of budgetary bleakness I wonder if anyone would seriously contemplate such a thing.
 
In the 2012 elections some states in the U.S. passed ballot propositions legalizing personal marijuana use. Legalized medical marijuana seems to increasingly be the norm. I know that many countries have much more liberal drug laws than the U.S. does.

Many zoos have gardens and farms of varying kinds for educational purposes and to grow food and browse for their collections. Can anyone imagine a zoo adding a LEGAL marijuana garden to their collection in order to provide operating revenue and funding for new exhibits?

As a non-drug user (contrary to nanoboy's comments on some of my poll posts) I would think this would be insane and a non-starter, but in a world of budgetary bleakness I wonder if anyone would seriously contemplate such a thing.

I know plenty of drug users, they are almost all flunkies who don't give a crap about anyone or anything and they're not afraid of making that perfectly clear at the expense of other students and substitute teachers. I can't imagine any zoo (well, and AZA and respectable zoo) doing such a thing as adding marijuana to their gardens. I could see a backstage thing if they were growing it to produce paper as it is my understanding that making paper from marijuana is cheaper and cleaner than from trees. Besides for that, you're just opening respectable zoo doors for drug abusers filled with pain and regret. If my point hasn't been reached let me shorten it, no zoo I'd visit will have marijuana on display or make it anywhere near accesable to the public.

~Thylo:cool:
 
As long as they position the garden next to the in-house brothel, casino, and gun shop, then I am ok with it. ;)
 
As long as they position the garden next to the in-house brothel, casino, and gun shop, then I am ok with it. ;)

I think that goes without saying.

:p

Hix
 
Many zoos have gardens and farms of varying kinds for educational purposes and to grow food and browse for their collections. Can anyone imagine a zoo adding a LEGAL marijuana garden to their collection in order to provide operating revenue and funding for new exhibits?

As a non-drug user (contrary to nanoboy's comments on some of my poll posts) I would think this would be insane and a non-starter, but in a world of budgetary bleakness I wonder if anyone would seriously contemplate such a thing.

Ignoring the moral/ethical dimension it's a bad idea from a business perspective because growing/supplying Marijuana does not provide a good fit with the zoos core competencies. It would be as pointless as them as going into car mechanics as a sideline -theoretically they could do it and earn revenue but there would always be someone else, with the appropriate skills/experiences that could do it better/cheaper (i.e. they wouldn't survive long in the market).
 
As long as they position the garden next to the in-house brothel, casino, and gun shop, then I am ok with it. ;)

Stop your stereotyping, Marajuana and other illegal/morally debatable activities are not intrinsically linked any more than booze or hamburgers would be (to them). Personally I'd rather have a Marajuana user next door than a gun owner.
 
I know plenty of drug users, they are almost all flunkies who don't give a crap about anyone or anything and they're not afraid of making that perfectly clear at the expense of other students and substitute teachers.
~Thylo:cool:

I'd imagine most high school alcohol users would have the same bad qualities but I wouldn't tar all drinkers with the same brush:D.
 
I'd imagine most high school alcohol users would have the same bad qualities but I wouldn't tar all drinkers with the same brush:D.

I wasn't talking about people who drink, actually I don't think I know anyone who's an alcohol abuser. I just know a lot of marijuana users who aren't going anywhere fast.

~Thylo:cool:
 
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It figures someone from California would come up with this idea! :p

It boggles my mind that at the same time we (the USA) are slowing the rate of cigarette smoking (nicotine), we are encouraging more and more joint smoking (marijuana). Forget for a moment the drug effects. It is still smoking. A college teacher once told me (and I do not doubt it) that just in terms of lung damage, smoking one joint is the equivalent of smoking seven cigarettes. That fact alone should prove that the idea of "medical marijuana" is a complete fallacy.

It should not be legal (nor should cigarettes for that matter) and it should certainly never be legitimatized by a zoo.
 
It figures someone from California would come up with this idea! :p

It boggles my mind that at the same time we (the USA) are slowing the rate of cigarette smoking (nicotine), we are encouraging more and more joint smoking (marijuana). Forget for a moment the drug effects. It is still smoking. A college teacher once told me (and I do not doubt it) that just in terms of lung damage, smoking one joint is the equivalent of smoking seven cigarettes. That fact alone should prove that the idea of "medical marijuana" is a complete fallacy.

It should not be legal (nor should cigarettes for that matter) and it should certainly never be legitimatized by a zoo.

1. Who says it has to be smoked?:D
2. The "seven times damage" could be propaganda, let's face it the "drug wars" are not immune from this.

That said, I like the consistency of your argument (banning cigarettes and marajuana).

Personally I believe the core of the problem is the inconsistency of the authorities, "this (legal) drug is fine, that (illegal) drug is not", which makes them look like hypocrites. Basically, there's drugs and there's water and until people realise that all drugs have "baggage" a solution will not be found. I'm sure, as in the UK, the US has far more deaths, and problems, from alcohol than all the illegal drugs combined (then again I know you have serious meth problems, something we've been lucky enough to avoid so far). I only read this morning that abuse of benzodiazepines kills more than twice as many as ectasy and cocaine combined in the UK.

The reality is some people will always choose drugs (in the widest sense), some will use them (causing no problems for themselves or others) and some will abuse them (causing problems for themselves and/or society). I don't believe banning drugs will solve this underlying fact/instinct and the best a society can do (like I believe Portugal has) is to help those (who want it) that get into problems. It doesn't eradicate the problem, they'll always be those that chose not to be helped, but it keeps power away from criminals (selling in an illegal market) and avoids criminalising ordinary citizens who just happens to choose a drug that society's deemed illegal.

Personally I don't care what drugs another person chooses to take, it's only when they burgle my house (or cause problems for others in any way) to pay for drugs that I get annoyed -the two are not inevitably linked.

This will be my last (slightly off thread) post on the subject as ultimately it's like a "faith argument" -opinions are usually entrenched and unwaiving so I don't want to waste the energy or posts.
 
In Australia, the statistic I heard on TV the other day, was that taxes on cigs raised $5bn last year, but smoking-related health issues cost the tax payer $30b through Medicare. As a non-smoker, it angers me that tax payers forked out $25bn to care for smokers.
 
In Australia, the statistic I heard on TV the other day, was that taxes on cigs raised $5bn last year, but smoking-related health issues cost the tax payer $30b through Medicare. As a non-smoker, it angers me that tax payers forked out $25bn to care for smokers.
no you're wrong nanoboy. Smokers don't affect anyone but themselves. Just ask them.
 
Personally I believe the core of the problem is the inconsistency of the authorities, "this (legal) drug is fine, that (illegal) drug is not", which makes them look like hypocrites. Basically, there's drugs and there's water and until people realise that all drugs have "baggage" a solution will not be found. I'm sure, as in the UK, the US has far more deaths, and problems, from alcohol than all the illegal drugs combined (then again I know you have serious meth problems, something we've been lucky enough to avoid so far). I only read this morning that abuse of benzodiazepines kills more than twice as many as ectasy and cocaine combined in the UK.

I'm doing a lot of agreeing with you on moral issues today Shorts - but once again this sums it up for me. Particularly with tobacco vs. marijuana - it's easy to see why people feel they can disregard the law when it appears so inconsistent.

That said - a ban on all drugs would be basically unworkable (what about caffeine - the worst most-consumed psychoactive compound, taken by 90% of Americans daily?). I quite like the approach of criminalising production/sale but not use/possession - which would hopefully help people to get medical or other help without being put off by fear of prosecution.
 
I say let's get ride of that McDonald's crap as well. That stuff will kill you!!

@Any British person- How's China's Opium use?;)

~Thylo:cool:
 
Gentle Lemur touches on an important point. Forget the recreational drug use - in many, many countries, THC-free hemp is a lucrative export crop. Hemp is a valuable example of sustainable cropping - it requires no pesticides or fertilizer, and the whole plant is useful, healthy, and cheap to produce. The USA is a massive importer of hemp products, yet it is illegal to produce. Some states could kick start their economies through legalizing hemp.
 
Gentle Lemur touches on an important point. Forget the recreational drug use - in many, many countries, THC-free hemp is a lucrative export crop. Hemp is a valuable example of sustainable cropping - it requires no pesticides or fertilizer, and the whole plant is useful, healthy, and cheap to produce. The USA is a massive importer of hemp products, yet it is illegal to produce. Some states could kick start their economies through legalizing hemp.

Isn't it legal in Colorado? How has it boosted their economy?

~Thylo:cool:
 
It was legalized there on December 10th, 2012. Are you actually saying proponents of hemp production should already be able to demonstrate its economic benefits to the state in ten days?

Also, legalizing Marijuana for 'personal use' is a completely different law from legalizing industrial hemp production. One does not cover the other, so this is not a green light to hemp farmers to go into production. Plus, the tyranny that the modern US executive has become (both left and right), will ensure federal raids and all manner of tactics to undermine states rights following the Marijuana laws, so anyone wanting to farm industrial hemp has more to lose from going into this if their state passes a law allowing it when the Federal government opposes it. Just look at the craziness around raw milk.
 
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