Rarest animals seen in a zoo or aquarium

Ok, let me explain the whole Red Wolf situation.
1. Red Wolves are not hybrids between Canis lupus and Canis latrans. There has been no recorded hybridization between the two species. In fact, when the two species get together, lupus kills latrans.
2. It is easiest to comprehend the NA canid situation in terms of migration patters. The first wave of migration happened over 500,000 years ago. The descendants of this migration are the Coyote, Eastern Wolf, and Red Wolf.
3. Human intervention has dramatically changed these three taxa's range. Traditionally, we could view the Mississippi River as the main dividing line between Red Wolves and Coyotes, and the Appalachians as the dividing line between the Eastern Wolves and the Red Wolves.
4. Once the Red Wolves disappeared, the Coyotes started to take over their range. True Coyotes are solitary animals. Seeing them in a pack would indicate they are probably Coy-Dogs (remember, there is no such thing as a Coy-Wolf). This would more than likely explain the somewhat larger size seen in the new "Eastern" Coyote population.
5. Gray Wolves (Canis lupus) migrated into NA much later, around the same time as humans (c. 15,000 years ago). Their larger size and more aggressive nature drove out the smaller and less aggressive canids from the earlier migration. If you look at a map of distributions, you can see how the range of C. lupus seems to radiate out of Berengia.
6. There may have been a 3rd migration between 1 and 2 which would account for C. lupus baileyi). This has yet to be proven. If shown to be true, C. lupus baiely should be elevated to a full species.
7. Canis lycaon should be considered a valid species. In cladistic analyses it never groups with C. lupus, but always with C. latrans. All reports of a hybrid between C. lupus and C. latrans can be explained by the fact that the "C. lupus" in question was actually "C. lycaon."
8. The Red Wolf is a valid taxa. However, it can occupy one of two taxonomic situations. One: it is a full species (C. rufus); or two: it is a subspecies of C. lycaon. The uncertainty comes from recent hybridization events (within the last 100 years) that wash out all the original mtDNA from the proto Red Wolf population.
9. The name Canis lycaon is probably not valid under ICZN rules. Lycaon was used by Linnaeus as a moniker for European black wolves, and under the rules of precedence, lycaon cannot be considered valid for NA populations unless they are deemed the same species (which they've shown not to be).

Ok, I think that does it. My brain hurts. Last month I read every single taxonomic paper on the status of the Red Wolf and this is the best synthesis I can come up with. Yes, it is a valid taxa (species or subspecies). No, it is not a hybrid. It is not related to the Gray Wolf.


The other decisive factor is the fact that when the extinct Dire Wolf (Canis dirus) - which no one disputes is a distinct species - is incorporated into the genetic analysis, it falls into a cladistic position between C.rufus and C.latrans and therefore would render any conspecific lumping of the coyote, red wolf and eastern wolf as polyphyletic.
 
That's what I was thinking, surely a name that didn't have "Lakeland" in it would be better? It's not like the word is in common use.
Should have checked the leaflet before posting that as it should have been The Lake District Wildlife Park,that Trotters gas changed its name to!
 
That's what I was thinking, surely a name that didn't have "Lakeland" in it would be better? It's not like the word is in common use.

When I was young I remember 'Lakeland' coloured pencils- a box of twelve or maybe sixteen colouring pencils, beautifully sharpened inside a tin or card box with a Lake District scene and the 'Lakeland' motif. Do they still make them? :)
 
When I was young I remember 'Lakeland' coloured pencils- a box of twelve or maybe sixteen colouring pencils, beautifully sharpened inside a tin or card box with a Lake District scene and the 'Lakeland' motif. Do they still make them? :)

Yes, the lakeland pencil company. They're still running in keswick. I have been lucky enough to get a factory tour, which you can get from the keswick pencil museum right beside it.:p:D

epickoal123
 
Good question, I was wondering this myself. Whilst it's not impossible that Trotters have kept Pichi I'd say it seems unlikley (given most of the places in Europe to have kept it are major zoos) and was wondering whether the Zootierliste entry might be an example of misidentification?

Do any other ZooChatters recall seeing it?

Tumbleweed blows through thread:).
 
Many years ago circa 1970/80's I read an article in 'National Geographic' about the Red Wolf and how it was facing extinction due to extreme hybridisation with Coyotes. There were photos of skulls etc and of skull and body measurements being taken in an endeavour to identify the remaining pure Red Wolves from the 'hybrid swarm' in a bid to save them (which has since been achieved at least to some degree.).

What you are suggesting is that while Grey Wolves never hybridise with Coyotes, the separate species of Eastern and/or Red Wolves will certainly do so, leading to the genetic 'cocktail' researchers were faced with when trying to save the pure Red Wolf.

Have I got it right?

There was hybridization between Coyotes and what were then thought to be Gray Wolves in eastern Canada, but those Gray Wolves turned out to a different species (C. lyacon).

Let me see if I can graph it out.

________________________________________ (C. lupus)
|
| ________________(C. lycaon)
| ___________|_______________(C. rufus)
| |
|___________|___________________________(C. latrans)

Hybridization is possible between any of the latrans/rufus/lycaon group but has never been shown to happen with lupus (lupus kills latrans).
 
Well, evidently, that graph sucked out loud.

----C. lupus
|
|----|----C. lycaon
| |----C . Rufus
|-------C. latrans
 
Hybridization is possible between any of the latrans/rufus/lycaon group but has never been shown to happen with lupus (lupus kills latrans).

Thanks for that confirmation. Presumably that fact is enough to prove that the Red and Eastern Wolves are distinct species, and so quite seperate from Gray Wolves?
 
Thanks for that confirmation. Presumably that fact is enough to prove that the Red and Eastern Wolves are distinct species, and so quite seperate from Gray Wolves?

Red and Eastern Wolves are definitely distinct from Gray Wolves. However, they may not be distinct from one another. The existing population of Red Wolves all have some level of hybridization in them. As to what the historical situation was, that is yet to be seen.
 
I am sure this is of no use to the Canis species debate, but for what it is worth I saw a coyote domestic dog cross years ago at the (now closed) Payson Zoo.
 
I am sure this is of no use to the Canis species debate, but for what it is worth I saw a coyote domestic dog cross years ago at the (now closed) Payson Zoo.

Coy-dogs are not unheard of. It's the behavior of C. lupus that prevents hybridization (though not C. lupus familiaris).
 
and now for something completly different :
the 3 ploughshare tortoises at Rotterdam Zoo are among my rarest animals seen !
( picture posted to the gallery )
 
Coy-dogs are not unheard of. It's the behavior of C. lupus that prevents hybridization (though not C. lupus familiaris).

I have seen film of (Gray) Wolves attacking and killing a Coyote. I believe they usually have a similar antipathy to domestic dogs?
 
Rarest animals seen.......

I believe any social group of [domestic] dogs has the capacity to attack any other social group [of dogs or even people, given their usual dual socialisation].
 
Are black asian giant tortoises rare, I believe that there are only four places in europe that have them.(I've been to three of them)
 
Both the species of tortoise you are talking about are more common that you think. The first is kept in 6 places and the other in 23 places, according to zootierliste.

Some rare species i have seen in Zoos/Aquariums:

Mammals:
- Mediterranean Monk Seal (Monachus Monachus)
- Nancy Ma's Night Monkey (Aotus Nancymaa)
- Gray Brocket Deer (Mazama Gouazoubira)
- Yucatan Brocket Deer (Mazama Pandora)
- South-Western Black Rhinoceros (Diceros Bicornis Bicornis)
- South African Klipspringer (Oreotragus Oreotragus Oreotragu)
- Iberian Lynx (Lynx Pardinus)
- Long-Finned Pilot Whale (Globicephala Mela)
- Bontebok (Damaliscus pygargus pygargus)

Birds:
- Heermann's Gull (Larus Heermanni)
- Torresian Imperial Pigeon (Ducula Spilorrhoa)
- Panama Brown-Throated Conure (Aratinga Pertinax Ocularis)
- Lichtenstein's Noble Macaw (Diopsittaca Nobilis Cumanensis)
- Rufous-tailed Thrush (Turdus Naumann)
- Black-Chinned Fruit-Dove (Ptilinopus Leclancher)
- Reichenow's Helmeted Guineafowl (Numida Meleagris Reichenow)
- Ribeiro's Scaly-Headed Parrot (Pionus maximiliani melanoblepharus)

Reptiles and Amphibians:
- Iberian Cylindrical Skink (Chalcides Bedriagai)
- Giant Malayan Leaf Frog (Brachytarsophrys Carinense)
- Smooth Softshelled Turtle (Apalone Mutica)
- Indian Sand Boa (Eryx johni)

Fish:
- Giant Oceanic Manta Ray (Manta Birostris)
- Giant Devil Ray (Mobula Mobular)
- Blue Shark (Prionace Glauca)
 
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For cat lovers there will Iberian Lynx on show soon. Jerez is planning to move some on-show from the 10th of February.
 
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