Animalgeek
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Does any body no when they plan to introduce the other females to Kibabu
Taronga Zoo Gorilla Troop
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I think you mean Kibali, not Kibabu?
The normal practise in a case like this would be to rehome the old male 'Kibabu' and his sons first, thus avoiding having to seperate them while still at Taronga, and also leaving the new male with just the females for his new group. Until that happens you may not see any changes.
Animalgeek
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Lol wasnt thinking uyes I meant Kibale Oranna plan to have the 3 boys by 2015 so if what you said is true then there might not be any changes un till they leave.
I thought that plan was off, and they would go somewhere in Australia, was it Monarto?
I was at mogo in September. the chimp exhibit had cheetahs in it.
Animalgeek
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This is where I got my info from http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rc...zuUTmATFzm0jqyz8dksrQ&bvm=bv.1354675689,d.dGY
Interesting. From this it seems the move to Orana is on again but will not take place for another three years. By that time the two younger males will be 12 & 8.years old, so, including Kibali there will be three large males at Taronga + two younger ones. That's quite a lot of males to keep in that accomodation. In three years the youngest one(Mahale) would be 7 and so old enough to go with the others too if they wanted to do that (making 4 leaving).
I think they may have got the new male 'Kibali' on the basis the others would leave sooner than this so maybe they will reorganise the females around him before then as its quite a while hence.
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Animalgeek
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Yes I no 3 years to go wow its a littel wile away a!!! That sounds right I think they might do that and take Mahale with the other 3 leaving Taronga with 1.1 -Kibali and Kimya and then the others mouila frala mriba and baby kapenze who will all move in with Kibali correct?
a few years ago a couple of females stopped over in Adelaide for a few months before they were shipped off to Europe. Is that an option as well as Mogo? Just wondering. I understand what pertinax is saying. It's going to be a full house at Taronga with all the black backs growing up plus two silver backs. Interesting to watch it unfold over the next couple of years.
Animalgeek
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Could well be boof do you mean like stop at mogo and live there for a wile untill Orannas enclosuer is ready?
yes. to free up space at Taronga. Wasn't there talk of an extension to Tarongas gorilla forest down to the old seal theatre/penguin pool?
Animalgeek
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That would be nice to see bigger is better so sending Kibabu Fuzu Fataki and Mahale would leave us with Kibale and females Mouila Frala Kriba Kimya and baby Kapenze
Also any ideas on when they intergrate all the females in with Kibale what enclosuer will hey all live in or will they combine both enclosuers.
Also any ideas on when they intergrate all the females in with Kibale what enclosuer will hey all live in or will they combine both enclosuers.
They better send Fataki soon as he is starting to cause real issues within the group. He will now often display right in front of Kibabu and chase him, which Kibabu tolerates but makes Fataki think that he is a more dominant gorilla than he should be. His biggest target is Mouila who is constantly harrased by him. He throws straw at her, slaps her, charges at her and also displays right in front of her. Mahale tries to diffuse the tension and re-direct Fataki away from his mum by instigating play with Fataki as well as Fuzu. Fuzu is also starting to bully Mouila (probably learning from Fataki) but is much more respectful and knows not to overstep the mark. Frala helps Fataki by swiftly running and smacking Mouila while Fataki is distracting her, so she supports his behaviour for her own good.
This probaby shows that the boys need to move soon as there is increasing tension in the group and Mouila is right in the middle of it.
Also, Kibali and Kimya are still together and have been seen mating so it is a positive sign that their relationship is good.
This probaby shows that the boys need to move soon as there is increasing tension in the group and Mouila is right in the middle of it.
Also, Kibali and Kimya are still together and have been seen mating so it is a positive sign that their relationship is good.
Situations like that tend to escalate/get worse and I can't see them being able to keep them all together for three more years- they may have to look at rehoming the males somewhere a lot sooner than that.
A gorillas' status is determined by the amount of offspring they have present in a troop. Frala has two adolescent sons and for the first time is in the strongest position within the troop. She is likely taking advantage of this after years of being on the bottom of the pecking order. Descriptions of her on the website attribute her abrasive personality to her low ranked position and exclusion by the mother and daughter Mouila and Kriba.
Maybe someone can confirm or correct me on this, but the last I heard, the three males Kibabu, Fataki and Fuzu are going to Orana Wildlife Park in late 2015. I have also heard they will be temporarily housed at Mogo Zoo prior to going to New Zealand. I agree with comments made on this thread that the young male Mahali should also accompany them as he will not be accepted by the new male Kibali.
This would leave Mouila, Frala, Kriba and 2 year old daughter Kipenzi in the main group and Kibali and Kimya in the smaller troop. Frala's position within the troop will be once again weakened by the emmigration of her sons so I would imagine she will be of high breeding priority to the zoo once the two troops are integrated.
The hardest task will be safetly integrating Kibali with the infant Kipenzi. The safest option is to keep her separate until she is 5-6 years old but perhaps someone on here could confirm whether this is an option: leave Kipenzi on her own for 3-5 hours while Kriba and Kibali are given access to eachother. Would this work once Kipenzi is 3-4 years old?
From what I've heard, Frala will remain at Taronga (with Kibali), while Mouila, Kriba and their youngest offspring will be moved elsewhere. It is a shame that she doesn't have a daughter with her. Frala and her sons are already separated from the main group, and apparently she will accompany them to her new home before returning to Taronga. This is what I've heard from a regular visitor to the zoo.
It seems likely to me (just me guessing though!), that Kibabu, Mouila, Kriba, Mahale and Kipenzi will go to Mogo (in the article regarding gorillas for Mogo, it was stated that the sex of the incoming gorilla residents was yet to be confirmed). Not sure where the 'F' boys will go prior to moving to NZ though!
I am very interested to see what changes take place with Taronga's gorilla group/s in the near future.
It seems likely to me (just me guessing though!), that Kibabu, Mouila, Kriba, Mahale and Kipenzi will go to Mogo (in the article regarding gorillas for Mogo, it was stated that the sex of the incoming gorilla residents was yet to be confirmed). Not sure where the 'F' boys will go prior to moving to NZ though!
I am very interested to see what changes take place with Taronga's gorilla group/s in the near future.
That's interesting to hear, thanks for that
It's a real shame Frala doesn't have a daughter to remain with her at Taronga. I thought when Kipenzi was born in 2011 and they said that would be the last baby from Kibabu that Frala should have been allowed to have one that year. Her son Fuzu was 4 then so she would have been able to.
The best thing about your plan above though is that it puts Frala and Kimya on an even footing, as neither have offspring with them. Had Melbourne not been planning to import a new male, I would have said bring back Mbeli and had the Taronga troop: Kibali, Frala, Mbeli and Kimya.
Would this mean these females left Taronga permanently, thus forming a third breeding group in Australia- at Mogo?
There would only be any point in seperating them like that if Kriba had resumed oestrus periods. Both mother and daughter would probably find it pretty stressful too.
Some males will accept a young unrelated female of(say)3 to 5 years old, others will persistently try and reject her from their group, as not being of any interest to them breeding-wise. Its very much an individual thing I think.