Great shot again. I'm still interested to know if this or both males that came from Woburn(originally from Hanover) are castrated or not. I think this is the second male(see photo lower down in this Gallery) as it appears not to have the same pink underlip. But otherwise they do both look like normal adult males. There is a castrated male in the PL group and he lacks the adult male characteristics( size, bulk, facial development) and looks more like a lanky female.
