Ha.. Did it, for me that was a big achievement. Takes me forever to get the photos on to my laptop, let alone uploading them. Anyway this is the inside well about a quarter of it. If you look close you can see mum and baby at the back. Now decide for yourself if it’s too small.
Looks good! is that a baby in the last pic? when was that born? I think that bazzoobuilders photos show that NAZF really have nothing to hide. Gibbons are not easy to maintain so they must be doing something right!
I personally believe that the parks teachings and the parks animal husbandry are two separate issues and should be treated as such. one argument should not cloud the other.
Thanks Vulpes I hope you don’t get into trouble by talking to me in a friendly manner! I think the young lady who looks after them would be pleased to think she isn’t thought of as totally useless by everyone.
As for the youngster he’s lovely. Just starting to play away from mum. Can’t remember how old exactly. Could ask?
I couldn’t agree more about arguing the issues on their own merits. I suspect that there are a lot of people around these days who are reluctant to put voice their religious views because of current laws (that I for one do not understand) about such things.
I personally visited the zoo that supplied us with the Gibbons an also had a relativity big part in the design and construction of the enclosure. I tried to include all the good aspects of their previous home and avoid some of the problems they had. I think I did a reasonable job. They had a problem keeping the inside clean- so I tiled the whole inside. They had problems with keepers crossing the gibbon entrance passages- so I put ours above head height. I was told they love grass hence the grass bank (had to keep some of the slope to avoid it getting waterlogged at the foot of the hill) I looked at swing heights etc. They have even got a little sun deck set into the loft area for early morning sun bathing(The floor of this picks up heat from the central heating below so it is a feverate even on chilly mornings) I was and still am quite proud of my contribution so you can see why early comments like,”$hitty cage”” motley collection”” rubbish enclosure”” lacks height”” crappy cage”” lacks room” prompted me to attempt to introduce some balance.
I don’t think these are factually correct or even opinions based on the actual structure as they now live in a bigger space per animal with higher ceilings that is easier to access and clean.
Disclaimer; Although I started by thanking Vulpes and went on to explain some of my reasons for posting, he (or maybe she) should not be attributed to agreeing with anything I post and that should be extended to any other members who’s opinions are subject based.
When it comes to animals and zoos I will form my own opinion on what I have seen myself and through any research I have also done on the subject, likewise I hope the other posters on here do the same. This is a forum for discussion and if we all agreed on everything it would be a very boring forum indeed. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
When it comes to animals and zoos I will form my own opinion on what I have seen myself and through any research I have also done on the subject, likewise I hope the other posters on here do the same. This is a forum for discussion and if we all agreed on everything it would be a very boring forum indeed. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
I agree with you hear so I think I’ll start a new thread to avoid it getting boring.
It’s one of my opinions that is generally unpopular so take a look.
All the best Baz
Could I suggest a series of (either) ropes or thick bamboo poles set high up across the width of the outdoor cage at 'armslength' intervals the Siamangs could reach as they brachiate? This would allow them to swing along the whole length of the cage and provide much increased exercise too.
The shape and size of the cage seems perfectly adequate to me apart from the lack of this one feature.
The captive Siamangs love of grass is wierd , it cannot be a natural behaviour in the wild as , as far as I know , they do not descend to the ground .I wonder if it is a displacement activity to avoid boredom .
All Apes and Monkeys are fruit and foliage eaters. For many primates in captivity, feeding is restricted to set, short periods and Grass is the only substitute available to them outside feeding times. Watch any Gorillas, or Orangutans in grassy enclosures and you'll see them gathering fistfuls of grass to eat every so often. It may not be so much they (or other species such as Siamangs) really 'love' grass but more that its something to eat when there's nothing else available.
ive got a feeling that originally the caoti and gibbon enclosures were supposed to be just for gibbons then they saw the size and made it into 2 cages. Why else would they need such a tall cage with a roof for caotis?
Dartboy, very close I thought it had been said but yes the coatis are just temporary lodgers. The whole side opens up to make one big area and closes in case any gibbons need to be separated, but this facility will not be required for several years when the gibbon family becomes bigger. I am presently looking into various designs for an open air coati house with just a small wall and a big climbing frame; this will be built out between the 5to10 play area and the big cats around 2014.
