@Pertinax I know Rajang well as my father Eric worked with Bill Timmis at Chester before they later moved together to run Harewood House collection in Yorkshire. Bill had a daughter Nicole, but I don't recall him having a son. If my father didn't go with him then we quite often baby sat Bills house in the zoo grounds while he was away travelling. That usually meant Orangutan or chimps to feed. In those days George Mottershead was still alive of course. We quite often had primates at our house at the behest of George. I recall Rajang being a great shot with a flying turd!