Guenon sp/ssp for ID

Hi, I\'m trying to ID this species of guenon that I\'ve found whilst looking through an old SD card - it would have been taken at Twycross in November 2009, other than that I have no idea :s.

Thanks in advance (and sorry for the poor quality image, I wouldn\'t post normally but just want an ID on it )

Hi Javan Rhino,
I think it's a Red-Tailed Guenon (Cercopithecus ascanius). I'm sure I have a photo of one from Twycross somewhere. I'll have a look for you.

Yep, definitely Red-tailed Guenon; from the date it would be the last male now living at the monkey place on the Isle of Wight (that I can never remember the name of).

Bwassa said:

Hi Javan Rhino,
I think it's a Red-Tailed Guenon (Cercopithecus ascanius). I'm sure I have a photo of one from Twycross somewhere. I'll have a look for you.

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Thanks Bwassa and Maguari. I take it it's no ssp. status?

Interestingly, if it is the same then Zootierliste shows Twycross as a former holder, but not the new place as a current holder or previous holder - I assume this is just an omission? http://www.zootierliste.de/en/?klasse=1&ordnung=107&familie=10708&art=1070820&haltungen=1

Or, it could be http://www.zootierliste.de/en/?klasse=1&ordnung=107&familie=10708&art=1070814&haltungen=1 ?

Sorry for all the questions, just putting my life-lists onto the blog and want to be as accurate as possible with which subspecies [if any]

Javan Rhino said:

Thanks Bwassa and Maguari. I take it it's no ssp. status?

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Yup, some of the previous animals were listed as whitesidei or schmidti but the last animal was always just C. ascanius.


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Javan Rhino said:

Interestingly, if it is the same then Zootierliste shows Twycross as a former holder, but not the new place as a current holder or previous holder - I assume this is just an omission? ZootierlisteHomepage

Or, it could be ZootierlisteHomepage ?

Sorry for all the questions, just putting my life-lists onto the blog and want to be as accurate as possible with which subspecies [if any]

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The animal is now listed on Zootierliste as whitesidei - not sure if this is assumption or if someone more expert than I has identified it as such!

Maguari said:

Yup, some of the previous animals were listed as whitesidei or schmidti but the last animal was always just C. ascanius.

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The animal is now listed on Zootierliste as whitesidei - not sure if this is assumption or if someone more expert than I has identified it as such!

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Thanks again - I shall put it down simply as species, and may put in brackets 'possibly whitesidei'

Not sure but I think 1.1 whitesidei went from Howletts to Twycross in the late 1990s. I definately saw the ssp at Howletts in 1997.

bongorob said:

Not sure but I think 1.1 whitesidei went from Howletts to Twycross in the late 1990s. I definately saw the ssp at Howletts in 1997.

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Twycross definitely did have whitesidei at that time (though I wouldn't know if they were ex-Howletts), but once the zoo were down to this one Red-tailed the subspecies was no longer labelled - I wasn't paying close enough attention to spot how many animals there were immediately before this. It may be that this is a survivor of the whitesidei group but I don't see why they wouldn't label it as such in that case - they had always been labelled fully before.

bongorob said:

Not sure but I think 1.1 whitesidei went from Howletts to Twycross in the late 1990s. I definately saw the ssp at Howletts in 1997.

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And I think the same pair were later sent on somewhere in France to join a larger group to get them breeding.

Maguari said:

Yep, definitely Red-tailed Guenon; from the date it would be the last male now living at the monkey place on the Isle of Wight (that I can never remember the name of).

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Isle of Wight Owl and Monkey Haven...