Animal fees from different countries

devilfish

devilfish

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Hi everyone,
I was wondering which animals have a standard fee or annual payment attached to them by their country's government; I know about China's Giant Pandas [$3m start-up + $1m per year per panda] and Golden Monkeys [$100K annually], and apparently the Philippines require an annual payment for the Visayan Spotted Deer. Do you know of any others? Does anyone know how fixed these prices are?
Thanks
 
I didnt realise there were other animals with a fee apart from the giant panda. Interesting! are there any Golden monkeys on display in the UK?
 
I think China charges different amounts depending on the zoo. I heard that either National Zoo or Atlanta (don't remember which) pays quite a bit less for them than San Diego.
 
Vulpes said:
I didnt realise there were other animals with a fee apart from the giant panda. Interesting! are there any Golden monkeys on display in the UK?
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No, as of right now there are no western zoos with Golden Monkeys. The Los Angeles Zoo will be the only one in the west to have them, but I don't know when they will arrive.

Are there any other Chinese species with fees?
 
I'm pretty sure there are no other chinese species with fee's. I also doubt there are any other species with fee's like the panda's and golden monkey's. There might be a few species where zoo's will have to donate to in-situ protection, i know that when Artis Amsterdam hands out Black-footed penguin to zoo's that start keeping them they ask for a donation on in-situ penguin conservation.

I wouldn't be surprised if the same goes for golden lion tamarins. Afaik they all belong to the Brazil gouvernment, and it could very well be that if you enter the EEP for one of them, you have to donate a small amount for Mata Atlantica protection but i'm not sure.

But for real "rent" paying, i think the pandas and monkeys are alone?
 
I think giant pandas and golden monkeys are the only ones.

I am not surprised that there is no interest in renting golden monkeys for 100,000$/year. For most zoo visitors, every species of monkey is the same. Its stuff for animal enthusiasts.

I never seen how China spend money from renting pandas. Officialy it should go to conservation, but I wouldn't be surprised if most money was misspend or corrupted.

So I am happy that zoos found that even hyper-cute pandas with massive publicity campaign don't generate enough profit to pay for their fee. I hope the idea wil be abandoned.
 
The whole concept of having to pay a rental for animals is immoral, particularly to a corrupt regime like China. It's against the concept of conservation breeding, and against the best interests of the species.

They can keep their pandas, as far as I'm concerned.
 
As far as i know the Netherlands wasn't in the top of "uncorrupt" countries neither, at least here some of the scandals are uncovered though...

Still, i can't judge China on the basis of what i know. They seem to have spend a great deal on Wolong and other panda breeding stations in research and technology. Also the national parcs seem to be maintained, so at least some money is pooring into conservation. Some of the words here seem harsh for a country that seems at least a little worried/willing to think about conservation...
 
It would be like Australia not allowing any other countries to have koalas except by a "rental" agreement.
There would be world-wide outrage.
 
I cant agree there, as far as I know the money from "renting" the pandas goes directly to panda conservation! Id far rather see that than the money the raise at the gate lining some wealthy zoo directors pockets lol
 
Ara said:
It would be like Australia not allowing any other countries to have koalas except by a "rental" agreement.
There would be world-wide outrage.
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The main (almost only) reason there are koala's in captivity today is because San Diego Zoo managed to keep them and breed with them from an import back in the 70's? After that, none have come out of Australia untill 2 females were moved to Los Angeles a few years ago.

If i'm correct all the other koala's are from San Diego Zoo lines. So it's not like australia is very obliged to sent animals over (and i have to see the damn Bennet's kangaroos over and over and over again :rolleyes:).

The main reason this isn't the case with Panda's is because they couldn't get their gifted panda to breed, and now the chinese changed the rules a little.

Oh well, hopefully you'll slacken your rules a little more and we get to see a few more yellow-footed rock wallabies, tazzie devils, wombats and bilby's around here :D
 
jwer said:
The main (almost only) reason there are koala's in captivity today is because San Diego Zoo managed to keep them and breed with them from an import back in the 70's? After that, none have come out of Australia untill 2 females were moved to Los Angeles a few years ago.
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I remember finding this a while ago:
Koalas For China
I also think that something similar happened to a japanese zoo after they donated a lot of money, so we may well get a China-style 'animal rental service' from Australia at some point in the future.

What makes me curious is the fact that the Chinese and Philippine governments consider their endemic wildlife as government property, which is why they charge for them. I think money raised by these animals goes to the government before going to conservation projects, which is why there was a WWF lawsuit in 1998; now, at least half of all loan fees for Chinese animals have to be used for conservation purposes.
 
nayer said:
I think money raised by these animals goes to the government before going to conservation projects, which is why there was a WWF lawsuit in 1998; now, at least half of all loan fees for Chinese animals have to be used for conservation purposes.
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I find it very suspicious.

Pair of pandas are rent for $1m/year, and big sums for panda conservation are also supposedly given by Chinese government and Western organizations. What are results for this money, incredibly high in terms of conservation? Panda reserves should be the richest and best managed national parks in the planet. I guess that most of these funds are wasted or stolen.

Actually, the same question I could ask about some tropical national parks. They charge really high prices for foreign tourists, but are unable to stop poaching and various other destruction by local people. Think Galapagos, Serengeti etc.
 
jwer said:
The main (almost only) reason there are koala's in captivity today is because San Diego Zoo managed to keep them and breed with them from an import back in the 70's? After that, none have come out of Australia untill 2 females were moved to Los Angeles a few years ago.

If i'm correct all the other koala's are from San Diego Zoo lines. So it's not like australia is very obliged to sent animals over (and i have to see the damn Bennet's kangaroos over and over and over again :rolleyes:).
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actually koala first went to San Diego in 1915. A further shipment was sent in 1959 to San Diego, and eight in 1976 to Los Angeles (I believe these were some time later sent to San Diego because LA was having trouble feeding them properly). The koala were a gift from the Australian Government to mark the USA's bicentennial celebrations. In 1980 laws were drafted to allow the export of koala from Australia to overseas zoos, these coming into effect in 1984. The first koala exported from then were to Japan (in 1984 and 1985 from Taronga Zoo). Since then many koala have been exported from Australia, including to Japan, China, Thailand (?), Israel and I think further ones to America.

here's a link to an Israeli story: j. - Israel welcomes furry olim -- Didgee the koala lifts spirits
Lod Airport welcomed a new Israeli recently, and a rather furry one at that.
Didgee the koala bear made aliyah from his native Australia. Accompanied by Ido Goffer, 30, a keeper in Israel's Gan Garoo wildlife park, Didgee made the long trip from Melbourne to Israel.
Didgee won't be the only Aussie in his new home: Cindy and Mindy, two cute koala females who made aliyah in February, already have been resettled in the park. Cindy and Mindy are 3 years old and were born in the Melbourne Zoo.......
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from the Captive Koala Husbandry Guidelines www.aszk.org.au/docs/koala.pdf
The acquisition of koalas, by overseas zoos, can take up to five years. Planning and
communication are vital ingredients to the success of a koala export project.
Environment Australia and Australian zoos have developed this koala information
package to assist prospective overseas zoos to obtain this fascinating species as a
part of their Australian displays.
At present there are three regional koala programs in operation; the United States of
America region, the Asian region and the Australian region. New koala regions can
and are being developed however Australian zoo authorities are very cautious about
establishing new regions. There must be demonstrable ability by the proposed
region to care for and manage koalas.
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Chlidonias said:
actually koala first went to San Diego in 1915. A further shipment was sent in 1959 to San Diego, and eight in 1976 to Los Angeles (I believe these were some time later sent to San Diego because LA was having trouble feeding them properly). The koala were a gift from the Australian Government to mark the USA's bicentennial celebrations. In 1980 laws were drafted to allow the export of koala from Australia to overseas zoos, these coming into effect in 1984. The first koala exported from then were to Japan (in 1984 and 1985 from Taronga Zoo). Since then many koala have been exported from Australia, including to Japan, China, Thailand (?), Israel and I think further ones to America.

here's a link to an Israeli story: j. - Israel welcomes furry olim -- Didgee the koala lifts spirits


from the Captive Koala Husbandry Guidelines www.aszk.org.au/docs/koala.pdf
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The first koalas came to San Diego in 1925 with Tom Faulconer as a gift "...for the children of San Diego, U.S.A., from the children of Sydney." They were part of an animal trade deal. The ship was actually about to leave port because the Australian government hadn't approved their export yet, and just as they were about to leave, a vehicle came rushing up with the koalas ready to go.
 
The San Diego Zoo didnt officially opened until 1923...for such a young zoo to acquire such a rare animal for the times.
 
No kidding. And they had to be shipped over on board a freighter for weeks too.
 
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