Bear Baiting in Pakistan

Well... I will not again put forward the theory that animals are treated differently in different parts of the world and that there are cultural explanations behind this, let alone even suggest that the general attitude towards animals in this or the other culture would in any way be a marker of the value of this or the other culture...

No, no, no.... I will of course remain politically correct! I promise.

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Sorry, just couldn´t help myself! :eek:
 
I'm sorry, it might be a cultural thing but there is no excuse for this to go ahead, how do people not see this is cruel?! I don't care what it does for local economies and what not, the price is just not worth it. No animal deserves to have that happen to them.
Humans suck :rolleyes:
 
ashley-h said:
I'm sorry, it might be a cultural thing but there is no excuse for this to go ahead, how do people not see this is cruel?! I don't care what it does for local economies and what not, the price is just not worth it. No animal deserves to have that happen to them.
Humans suck :rolleyes:
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Watch out, ashely-h! Opinions like that can be mighty unpopular. They might even be labelled as "racist"........
 
Hardly racist, true though :p
 
I applaude your passion but I am very pessimistic. The way we humans treat animals is the biggest philosophical problem I know of...
 
i have a friend from pakistan whos been their and seen a dancing sloth bear, very sad. cultural reasons are no excuse for cruelty and mistreatement of animals
 
That's why I support the Dutch foundation Alertis. They rescued many bears from this kind of cruel and totally unnecessary horrific situations. Alertis owns the Bear Forest in Ouwehands Zoo and are also supporting a rehabilitation center in Rumania.

I don't give anything about the so called economic reasons or cultural nonsense in Pakistan. In fact, if they stops with this cruelty only a handful people are involved. Get a life...
 
I like your posts, foz and Untbwe.

I had never heard of Alertis, but it sounds like a wonderful organisation.
 
cultural reasons is complete trash. Mobile phones are not traditional cultural things but they changed their ways for them so why not change their ways with animals...there are no excuses
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Understanding and acknowledging cultural differences doesn't mean that one should accept animal cruelty; yet one should realize that the times of European colonial rule are over, and you can't just walk there and dictate other people your set of morals, no matter how nice that would be (for you). Snotty libeling from the safety of an European computer desk won't improve anything, but only harden the fronts. Organisations like Alertis might at least help some animals and change the attitude of the locals on the long run.

High tech gadgets are easily accepted everythere (unless you're an Amish); changing cultural attitudes takes much, much longer to sink in.

One last word, @Dan: I'm not a great fan of PC, but in that particular event you keep referring to, you crossed the line. Let's just leave it there.
 
It's worth remembering that Bear baiting was only banned in Britain in 1835.

Bullfighting is accepted as part of the 'culture' of Spain (for example), but presumably there would be riots if it was introduced to the UK tomorrow. Ideally there should be zero tolerance of cruelty to animals (& humans) that cuts across cultural barriers.
 
Sun, are you saying that you agree with it or you don't? I didn't really get either answer from your post.
 
Sun Wukong said:
Understanding and acknowledging cultural differences doesn't mean that one should accept animal cruelty; yet one should realize that the times of European colonial rule are over, and you can't just walk there and dictate other people your set of morals, no matter how nice that would be (for you). Snotty libeling from the safety of an European computer desk won't improve anything, but only harden the fronts. Organisations like Alertis might at least help some animals and change the attitude of the locals on the long run.

High tech gadgets are easily accepted everythere (unless you're an Amish); changing cultural attitudes takes much, much longer to sink in.

One last word, @Dan: I'm not a great fan of PC, but in that particular event you keep referring to, you crossed the line. Let's just leave it there.
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Sun Wukong,

Thank you for your sensible comment. I too have an even-handed approach to the bear baiting in Pakistan as you do. It is safe to say we would like to change the attitudes towards this admittedly unacceptable practice, yet changing it takes time, effort and diligence. This is were organisations like Alertis come in who do not have this sound-off effect some ARG organisations seems to have. Alertis takes the long view and in developing its bear rescue and rehabilitation projects is looking for long-term change and conservation of bears.

And right, it is rather easy and safe to sit at a European desktop and write up a self placatory denouncement of the practice or cultural attitude.

And lastly, I too am not a fan of PC .... nor will I ever be ...!!! I am rather cosmopolitan yet an observant sceptic (it helps to keep everything in perspective, just try it sometime ... ;)).

Conclusion: if you feel like taking action support Alertis with a welcome donation or even an annual sub! It will not buy off our collective guilt factor, but it will surely assist Alertis in making a difference where it matters! :cool:

K.B.
 
things like this can not change overnight, but it still should be changed regardless. although it's cruel and terrible bear baiting can not be eliminated quickly.
 
Ok, didn't read that properly. A yes or no would have done though :rolleyes:
 
I can remember Longleat used to have a few signs up along the edge of the road saying "you are now approaching the worlds most dangerous animal" and the like, and at the end of the trail there was a model human in a really high security cage, was pretty good.
 
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