Cormorants under attack again

Hold on ... did the article really say "non-native invasive cormorants"? What cormorants are they talking about??
 
On another website forum there have been many anti angler posts all claiming we should have a cull of anglers because of the injuries and deaths they cause wildife by leaving thier rubbish and fishing line behind them.
Also as been stated that becuse of the rise of private fisheries in the UK anglers now expect to go on to rivers and dip and catch instead of many years ago when you had to wait for hours to catch a fish, also nearly all the fish stock that used to be put back into the UK rivers now goes into private fisheries pools and not the rivers they can't have it both ways.

All I can say is to all anglers.

Stop blaming wildlife for your own over fishing of the UK rivers
 
Totally agree, Adrian. This article is just ridiculous. Firstly - cormorants are not "non-native invasive species" and secondly - "cormorants and other fish eating birds" - what other birds? Can´t even name the species?

Cormorants are now more commonly seen in inland countries of Central Europe, but that doesn´t mean that they are non-native. They simply go where the food is - we are depleting their food source, so they have to look for alternatives. This article is just outrageous...
 
All I can say is to all anglers.

Stop blaming wildlife for your own over fishing of the UK rivers


As an angler myself of 25 years experience, I know it is throw away comments like this which get the anglers backs up as much as the cormorants do.....or don’t in many circumstances.


The vast majority of anglers (at least 95%) who fish rivers are coarse fishing, and the catch is released once it is unhooked. Of course there are those anglers who are down right ignorant and wreck less who leave litter and fishing line and hooks about. This is the reason that many stretches of river are ‘run’ by fishing clubs, to expel the bad eggs amongst the anglers, but it is not that easy as many stretches of rivers, miles of canals, acres of lakes and ponds offer free fishing to all and free fishing is sometimes an open invitation to idiots. I do agree with you about the ‘private fisheries’ as you word it. A far more accurate description would have been ‘instant fisheries’, but I know what you are getting at, a hole in the ground filled with water and fish over night almost, however your choice of wording was very wrong, (no offense meant).
‘Private fisheries’ are often exclusive clubs run in a professional manor where each member is vetted and anyone found leaving ANY litter of any kind, causing any damage to the flora or fauna is immediately expelled.
I have heard many many anglers talk rubbish about the volume of fish that a cormorant can eat in a day, ‘ten times or even fifteen times’ its own body weight etc,, - I have heard it all for years and years off some anglers zzzzz.

It is true that stocks of some of the natural lakes, the rivers and the canals are being affected by cormorants though and these fish should not be wiped out by the cormorants, not from an angling perspective, but from an ecological perspective, the fish are a part of the ecosystem food chain, removal of these endemic species by an recently introduced ( the cormorant) species is potentially hazardous on the ecosystem, and in some circumstances I am in agreement of the culling of cormorants on lakes and rivers in the UK from what I know myself. I stress on culling and not total removal of here.

Until the last couple of decades (in the UK) eels made up the majority of the Cormorants diet, since the dramatic drop in elvers returning to the UK from the Sargasso Cormorants have moved inland more so to feed. It is not necessarily the fault of over fishing by us that has led to cormorants moving inland, it could be any of the following factors, but more likely a combination of them and possibly more besides.

a) Depletion of food in coastal areas (many reasons for this)

b) Birds moving inland have become far more successful thanthose staying coastal, therefore breed and raise young at higher rates.

c) Removal of a specific species that cormorant where reliant on as a food source. (eels are an example of this)

On the other side of the fence (the Adrian & Stefka side perhaps) these people should not be so quick to think that all anglers are to be tarred with the same brush, ie thinking all anglers want all cormorants killed, this is simply not the case.

As for the comments about ‘non native invasive cormorants invasion’, well if the coast is 50 miles from a lake that has seen an increase in cormorants over the last 20 years, it is silly to say they are non-native, birds fly, so that is a silly comment.
If however they (those calling for cormorant expulsion) want to talk about an invasive non native species then look no further than the red signal crayfish and what that is currently doing to our inland fisheries, crayfish don’t fly, they where introduced and they breed like wildfire and are causing big problems for UK coarse fish (their eggs), native UK crayfish and insect larvae) never mind the cormorants.

My angling preference these days (last 10 years or so) is carp angling, fishing large lakes with a low stock of stock. As far as my fishing goes I go by this rule when out in the countryside fishing - “Take only photos. Leave only foot prints”
 
Pootle very much summed up my view.

As an coarse angler my self all I can say is that all those quick to say that all anglers are to blame, think about how you feel next time someone without all the facts starts to discredit zoos. I bet you feel annoyed!

Some waters where I fish have been affected by Goosanders rather than cormorants.
 
Hold on ... did the article really say "non-native invasive cormorants"?
Yes, but read the whole piece in context:

"...and there are now an estimated 23,000 non-native invasive cormorants over-wintering in the UK from Holland, Denmark and other parts of Europe compared to a couple of thousand in the 1980s."
 
The Great Cormorant (Phalacrocorax carbo) has two subspecies in Europe. Nominate carbo is the form that breeds on the (mostly rocky) coasts of Atlantic Europe. Another race, sinensis, breeds inland in Europe and across to China, as its name suggests.

About 40 years ago the species was virtually unknown as an inland breeder in Britain (although not I believe in Ireland). The drainage of the fens and persecution had exterminated populations once found in lowland Britain. Those birds now breeding in SE England, and wintering inland, MAY come from the race sinensis, so I suppose you could just describe them as being "invasive", although that would be pushing it a very long way IMHO.

One other thought; if humans would be gracious enough to allow the return of the White-tailed Eagle to inland Britain and Ireland, where the evidence of place names and bones shows it was once widely distributed, maybe anglers wouldn't have such issues with Cormorants and Grey Herons.
 
One other thought; if humans would be gracious enough to allow the return of the White-tailed Eagle to inland Britain and Ireland, where the evidence of place names and bones shows it was once widely distributed, maybe anglers wouldn't have such issues with Cormorants and Grey Herons.

That would be the best solution ever.

And I didn´t want to offend any anglers. I know few myself and I know that they are nature loving people and wouldn´t kill a bird over the fish.
And I believe that most of the problems are caused by commercial fisheries, not by people like you. So I certainly don´t blame you.

I was outraged by the article, because Cormorants are native birds and because of that "and other fishing birds" sentence. The fact that there are more of them, despite all the overfishing problems, is fascinating. I would just say - Bravo, Cormorants. You´ve managed to recover your population without our help.

And I would totally support reintroduction of their natural predators.
 
Pootle sorry about the wording didn't mean to upset but do agree it is a small minority but this is what causes the problems not just with anglers its always the small minority in anything that get noticed.
Lechweoryx after working as a security guard patroling a canal to help British Waterways I have come across many anglers who some had licences and some who diidn't and yet after they left nearly always I and other Guards found rubbish, line, maggots and hooks left lying in the area they had been fishing.
In the end British Waterways stuck (as the canal run through private land) a notice up saying no fishing in this area and guess what the anglers started blaming kids for the rubbish and said it wasn't them.

If you had read my first comment I did say that it was on another web site forum and many of the comments werecoming from anglers who were angry with the way they were being portrade by this small group of publicity seeking anglers.

As for blaming all anglers I still wouldn't blame all anglers.

Edit -

I used to fish many years ago but after spending many days catching nothing on my local river that used to be fairly full of fish decided to stop and not a comorant or many other birds for that matter in sight just a lack of fish.
 
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