ECHIDNAS FOR SALE???

Seems there was a rather large trade (to compare with the total absence for decades) in echidnas worldwide. I know they were also recently offered in Czech Republic, France and Germany. They apparently originate from New Guinea (Indonesian part). Most arrived as youngsters, a number died very quickly.
 
Hope the persons who obtain these animals are not only rich but also know something about animals ! Also I hope the ones who obtain them ( espec. the wild-caught ones ) try to get them in a managed breeding-programm like SSP ( does the SSP co-ordinate with privat persons anyway ? ). I know in Europe also privat persons are involed in surtain EEP's
It would be realy terrible is animals with such a sad background would get lost for the survaival of their species ( at least in captivity ! ).
 
Another questions springs in mind : are AZA - member zoos allowed to obtain wild-caught animals from such a ( questionable ) source ?
 
as Rhinopithecus says, the echidnas are from Irian Jaya and come via a dealer in Jakarta. Few of them are likely to survive.

Dingos are kept by a number of breeders in the US so aren't surprising.

I think this is the same dealer we have talked about before who was advertising otter shrews.
 
vogelcommando said:
Hope the persons who obtain these animals are not only rich but also know something about animals ! Also I hope the ones who obtain them ( espec. the wild-caught ones ) try to get them in a managed breeding-programm like SSP ( does the SSP co-ordinate with privat persons anyway ? ). I know in Europe also privat persons are involed in surtain EEP's
It would be realy terrible is animals with such a sad background would get lost for the survaival of their species ( at least in captivity ! ).
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This is around the 2nd time echidnas have been listed in America as of late. With such a high price, these animals will most defiantly go to a more than perfect home. I can assure you that! Though, American exotic collectors don't seem to enjoy the idea of involving their animals in zoo affiliated programs.

It seems there is a big stereotype with TAG, AZA, and SSP with private collectors of extremely rare exotics. Rare as in nature and the trade like, Chaco mara, new civet imports, and many armadillo species. All these species have recently came from wild origin imports and most of their owners do not agree or care to take note with the zoo breeding programs.

I would also like to mention that many zoos get a surprising number of their animals from private breeders/importers. Almost all soft bills, geckos, and small insectivores in American zoos today can be traced back to wild origin, mostly F1 (if even), or came directly from a private individual.
 
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Jarkari said:
...wildlife dealer in the states offering short beakedechidna puggles for $11,000 each...
What are your thoughts?
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What are my thoughts? My thoughts are that $11,000 is way too high. I would not pay a penny more than $10,500 for an echidna! :p
 
Pacarana said:
This is around the 2nd time echidnas have been listed in America as of late. With such a high price, these animals will most defiantly go to a more than perfect home. I can assure you that!
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I fail to see how you can offer such assurances. Michael Jackson no doubt paid through the remnants of his nose for Bubbles. How did that work out?
 
CGSwans said:
I fail to see how you can offer such assurances. Michael Jackson no doubt paid through the remnants of his nose for Bubbles. How did that work out?
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You cant take one bad example and tar all with the same brush!

was Michael Jackson's zoo that bad?

Who are the big private keepers in America? (I'm not talking about grotty roadside zoos)

I have seen quite a few of these exotic breeder sites and most exotic animals in the USA seem to attain a price of over $10,000! Even marmosets and other "common" exotics!
 
Vulpes said:
You cant take one bad example and tar all with the same brush!

was Michael Jackson's zoo that bad?

Who are the big private keepers in America? (I'm not talking about grotty roadside zoos)

I have seen quite a few of these exotic breeder sites and most exotic animals in the USA seem to attain a price of over $10,000! Even marmosets and other "common" exotics!
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My point was that you can't guarantee that animals will be in good hands simply because the price is high. That is a very flawed assumption.
 
Vulpes said:
You cant take one bad example and tar all with the same brush!

was Michael Jackson's zoo that bad?
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By accounts of its quality, yes it was pretty bad. The enclosures were small and not maintained well, and most of the animals ended up in very dodgy situations when the zoo was dismantled.
 
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CGSwans said:
My point was that you can't guarantee that animals will be in good hands simply because the price is high. That is a very flawed assumption.
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In my opinion it is most defiantly a perfect assumption. As we all know, chimpanzees are a very popular animal among general zoo goers. Given this, the person that doesn't know how to take care of the expensive animal they just bought, will most likely buy a chimp or a tiger. Maybe even a marmoset, but I highly doubt anyone will pay 11,000 for an animal they clearly have no idea about.

Of course optimism is key but if someone is willing to blow 11,000, than they will know how to take care of it. If someone was to buy this animal and didn't know how to care for it, it would most likely be a celebrity. I highly doubt that we will ever see Taylor swift with a echidna. Now, Paris Hilton did obtain a kinkajou and we all know how that went. But we must keep in mind that kinks are 1-3 thousand each.

This is why I think it is a perfect assumption.
 
Strange (for me) kind of animals 'lovers' all these 'pet collectors'.
 
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