IDA Worst Zoos For Elephants 2017

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Its that time of the year again! The list is out!

10 Worst Zoos for Elephants 2017

1.) Topeka Zoo
2.) Pittsburgh Zoo
3.) Omaha's Henry Doorly Zoo
4.) Louisville Zoo
5.) Oregon Zoo
6.) Myrtle Beach Safari
7.) Two Tails Ranch
8.) St. Louis Zoo
9.) Natural Bridge Zoo
10.) Riverbanks Zoo

Dishonorable Mentions: Bronx Zoo, Edmonton Valley Zoo

I'll just leave this here.

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I have not seen any of these zoos myself, so I cannot make a judgement (though I am surprised they dropped San Antonio from their list). I will say, however, I have seen a lot of elephant exhibits that I would call substandard. In fact most of them if I can speak candidly. Just because this list is published by an anti-zoo organization does not mean they are completely wrong in their assessment. I would be interested to hear the views of members who have seen these in person.
 
I have only seen a couple on the lists; Louisville Zoo and Pittsburgh Zoo. Pittsburgh Zoo is not that bad, although I do think their outside area could be bigger. However, it's no surprise this zoo is on their list with the incident of their calf last year. Quite a few of these zoos are because of an incident that happened vs. the actually quality of the exhibit. I saw Louisville Zoo before its renovations and it wasn't that good. I heard the renovation wasn't that stellar either.
 
I’d appreciate it if they also included a best zoos list just so these zoos would know which zoos are going in the right direction and maybe improve their standards.
This is a rather infamous animal rights. I doubt they would sing any praise to elephants in captivity. Though one year they did have an honorable mention spot for Dallas, but even then they couldn't say, "This is a great zoo for elephants."
 
Thoughts and Opinions on these Rankings:

Topeka Zoo - This really wasn't any surprise. The exhibit is puny on its own and the indoor facility is a nasty little thing. Combine that with the passing of a middle-aged African elephant and the zoo being on the list multiple times in the past years, and you got yourselves one of the most predictable candidates for this years list. Still, I'm not sure it deserves the #1 spot.

Pittsburgh Zoo - Also very predictable. The exhibit itself is fine, but the way they view their elephant care is what made this year so disastrous for them. The new bill will force them to put the bull hooks down. I don't agree with free contact much so I can't say this a bad thing. In their defense, the dog thing was years ago, so I don't think it should be held against them this time around. The baby elephant was an accidental tragedy. Its not like they could have done much about a premature birth, but I'm not sure I can agree with how they handled it after the birth. I was have given it a bit more time with the mother and then attempt hand rearing. I'm sure the zoo had good intentions, but I can't say I like what they did.

Omaha's Henry Doorly Zoo - Basically because one of their bulls died. That's really about it. Animals die, it happens. Its sad of course, but ranking it the third worst zoo for elephants in North America is head scratching. The new exhibit looks great and from an animal welfare perspective I can't imagine it contributed to his cracked tusks as the article claims. They do realize there are plenty of hard surfaces in the wild to right?

Louisville Zoo - The "renovation" that this enclosure went other was honestly pathetic. Its small and barren for the Asian/African mix. Though they seem to focus more on how many times they have attempted to AI one. Not worth the biggest fuss, at least not as much as the mediocre yard. Still not any good in an otherwise fine looking zoo.

Oregon Zoo - This was an awful choice. Packy was a remarkable specimen that everyone in the zoo community will miss. He was very old, I doubt the zoo was really ready to "kill him" as they say, but it was his time. He lived a nice life, and had a great last few years in the new elephant exhibit. The exhibit itself is most likely one of the best for Asian elephants if maybe a but unsightly. I wasn't surprised by this one, but it still in no way belongs near this list.

Myrtle Beach Safari - Big cats on leashes? Ligers being among them? Free contact with elephants including rides? The owner referring to exhibits as cages? Wow. This place checks a lot of boxes that I'm not liking. I decided to do a little research and this seems like a touristy animal circus ground from the looks of it. I can't say much more sense I'm not familiar with the place, but it really doesn't look good.

Two Tails Ranch - This was a shocker. Not because of the elephants, but because of the fact that myself and others on here didn't know about this places existence until a few weeks ago. @Sarus Crane reviewed the establishment just a few weeks ago. In that review, I was criticized for addressing concerns about the elephant care, basically saying it was much too circus-like and dangerous. It looks like I may be partially right, though I'll take the word of an educated zoochatter over some anti-zoo group any day. Though this isn't exactly helping much.

St. Louis Zoo - Completely stupid. St. Louis is among the best for elephants and this confirms that these lists are incredibly unreliable. I even joked about this on the SL zoo news thread when the news first broke. Though its unfortunate, the zoo has have four consecutive successful births in a row and I see no reason for them to stop breeding their pachyderms. TB has been on rabid decline in elephants, something the IDA doesn't state in these lists. Its a shame it happened yes, but the zoo can treat it and this zoo most of all does not belong on the list.

Natural Bridge Zoo - Every other zoo on this list (Except maybe MBS) I know at least has good intentions for their elephants, this is the exception. This "zoo" deserves to be on a list like this. Its completely atrocious the way they treat the lone female elephant who resigns here. Forced to give rides and tucked away in a shed for the winter is not a life to live. This is the one zoo on here that I feel needs to be shut down, permanently. The fact this isn't the number one spot again is mind boggling.

Riverbanks Zoo - I can't say I know to much about this zoo, but the exhibit I hear is fine if I little small. The main point against the place was that two elephants died within six months of each other. They do realize the same thing happened at San Diego zoo last year right? That's probably because they were old elderly elephants so they couldn't criticize, but now that a pair of young females deceased then they have some ammo. There are still some far worse zoos then Riverbanks that deserve to be on a list like this.

Bronx Zoo - Main Claim: The zoo is hiding Happy away from the public.
Happy | ZooChat
Happy the Elephant | ZooChat

Edmonton Valley Zoo - There really isn't much to be said here. Its a shame Lucy lives the way she does, but she's much to old to be moved at this point. She would only die sooner. Its a really tragedy, but again really nothing can be done at this point.
 
Thoughts and Opinions on these Rankings:

Topeka Zoo - This really wasn't any surprise. The exhibit is puny on its own and the indoor facility is a nasty little thing. Combine that with the passing of a middle-aged African elephant and the zoo being on the list multiple times in the past years, and you got yourselves one of the most predictable candidates for this years list. Still, I'm not sure it deserves the #1 spot.

Pittsburgh Zoo - Also very predictable. The exhibit itself is fine, but the way they view their elephant care is what made this year so disastrous for them. The new bill will force them to put the bull hooks down. I don't agree with free contact much so I can't say this a bad thing. In their defense, the dog thing was years ago, so I don't think it should be held against them this time around. The baby elephant was an accidental tragedy. Its not like they could have done much about a premature birth, but I'm not sure I can agree with how they handled it after the birth. I was have given it a bit more time with the mother and then attempt hand rearing. I'm sure the zoo had good intentions, but I can't say I like what they did.

Omaha's Henry Doorly Zoo - Basically because one of their bulls died. That's really about it. Animals die, it happens. Its sad of course, but ranking it the third worst zoo for elephants in North America is head scratching. The new exhibit looks great and from an animal welfare perspective I can't imagine it contributed to his cracked tusks as the article claims. They do realize there are plenty of hard surfaces in the wild to right?

Louisville Zoo - The "renovation" that this enclosure went other was honestly pathetic. Its small and barren for the Asian/African mix. Though they seem to focus more on how many times they have attempted to AI one. Not worth the biggest fuss, at least not as much as the mediocre yard. Still not any good in an otherwise fine looking zoo.

Oregon Zoo - This was an awful choice. Packy was a remarkable specimen that everyone in the zoo community will miss. He was very old, I doubt the zoo was really ready to "kill him" as they say, but it was his time. He lived a nice life, and had a great last few years in the new elephant exhibit. The exhibit itself is most likely one of the best for Asian elephants if maybe a but unsightly. I wasn't surprised by this one, but it still in no way belongs near this list.

Myrtle Beach Safari - Big cats on leashes? Ligers being among them? Free contact with elephants including rides? The owner referring to exhibits as cages? Wow. This place checks a lot of boxes that I'm not liking. I decided to do a little research and this seems like a touristy animal circus ground from the looks of it. I can't say much more sense I'm not familiar with the place, but it really doesn't look good.

Two Tails Ranch - This was a shocker. Not because of the elephants, but because of the fact that myself and others on here didn't know about this places existence until a few weeks ago. @Sarus Crane reviewed the establishment just a few weeks ago. In that review, I was criticized for addressing concerns about the elephant care, basically saying it was much too circus-like and dangerous. It looks like I may be partially right, though I'll take the word of an educated zoochatter over some anti-zoo group any day. Though this isn't exactly helping much.

St. Louis Zoo - Completely stupid. St. Louis is among the best for elephants and this confirms that these lists are incredibly unreliable. I even joked about this on the SL zoo news thread when the news first broke. Though its unfortunate, the zoo has have four consecutive successful births in a row and I see no reason for them to stop breeding their pachyderms. TB has been on rabid decline in elephants, something the IDA doesn't state in these lists. Its a shame it happened yes, but the zoo can treat it and this zoo most of all does not belong on the list.

Natural Bridge Zoo - Every other zoo on this list (Except maybe MBS) I know at least has good intentions for their elephants, this is the exception. This "zoo" deserves to be on a list like this. Its completely atrocious the way they treat the lone female elephant who resigns here. Forced to give rides and tucked away in a shed for the winter is not a life to live. This is the one zoo on here that I feel needs to be shut down, permanently. The fact this isn't the number one spot again is mind boggling.

Riverbanks Zoo - I can't say I know to much about this zoo, but the exhibit I hear is fine if I little small. The main point against the place was that two elephants died within six months of each other. They do realize the same thing happened at San Diego zoo last year right? That's probably because they were old elderly elephants so they couldn't criticize, but now that a pair of young females deceased then they have some ammo. There are still some far worse zoos then Riverbanks that deserve to be on a list like this.

Bronx Zoo - Main Claim: The zoo is hiding Happy away from the public.
Happy | ZooChat
Happy the Elephant | ZooChat

Edmonton Valley Zoo - There really isn't much to be said here. Its a shame Lucy lives the way she does, but she's much to old to be moved at this point. She would only die sooner. Its a really tragedy, but again really nothing can be done at this point.
What do you have against elephant rides?
 
They don't seem to be good for the animals. I also just don't approve of the way that there handled, with bull hooks. That's why almost every major zoo in the US has discontinued the practice.
I don't think they are bad, as long as the zoos know when to stop.
 
Some of these zoos do seem to have pretty crappy enclosures from what I've seen in pictures.
 
Does anyone have any more information on Packy's euthanization, and if the IDA is incorrect in their assessment of the situation? It seems like it makes no sense, from my point of view at least, for Oregon Zoo to be on this list.
 
Does anyone have any more information on Packy's euthanization, and if the IDA is incorrect in their assessment of the situation? It seems like it makes no sense, from my point of view at least, for Oregon Zoo to be on this list.
From my understanding, Packy was euthanized when his TB treatment stopped being effective. It resurfaced the fall before he died and they ran out of options. He starting showing signs of getting near his time, so the zoo euthanized him before the pain really began to settle in. Its like putting down an ailing dog. This list made it sound like they "killed" him because of his lack of usefulness for breeding purposes, which was completely inaccurate.

Oregon, St. Louis, Omaha and maybe Riverbanks don't belong on this list.
 
As someone that has/does work for 2 of these facilities, and has visited all 10, not only is IDA a bunch of idiots, so are some zoochatters comments. I guess ignorance and assumtions are the norm these days.
 
As someone that has/does work for 2 of these facilities, and has visited all 10, not only is IDA a bunch of idiots, so are some zoochatters comments. I guess ignorance and assumtions are the norm these days.

Maybe you could be more specific? Casting doubt upon everything only serves to cloud the picture and increase ignorance.
 
Only people that work with these species know what im talking about. Im not going thru a whole dissertation about proper elephant husbandry. Visit these facilities and talk to the handlers. Thats what exterminates the ignorance
 
Only people that work with these species know what im talking about. Im not going thru a whole dissertation about proper elephant husbandry. Visit these facilities and talk to the handlers. Thats what exterminates the ignorance

First of all, I'm sat in front of a computer in China so my ability to visit 10 zoos spread across the continental United States is quite limited this evening. Secondly, I find it hard to accept that talking to the people criticised in this list is going to give me an unbiased viewpoint. I'm sure it would help redress the balance but an independent authority would be much better.

I in no way believe that there is any real amount of value to this list. It obviously primarily serves a political purpose. And I'm sure it is deeply frustrating to people personally involved or 'in the know' to have their name or the name of their institution besmirched like this. I just think that to rubbish these claims but refuse to engage with them in any substantial way undermines the credibility of your position. You would appear to know far more about this than me, but one thing I do know is that I all too frequently meet people who are broadly anti-captivity and if I simply brush off their opinion they are none too impressed. If on the other hand I meet them with facts and statistics they at least leave the conversation with something to think about.
 
As someone that has/does work for 2 of these facilities, and has visited all 10, not only is IDA a bunch of idiots, so are some zoochatters comments. I guess ignorance and assumtions are the norm these days.
Enlighten us idiots if you have a counterpoint.
 
To Funky Gibbon- you choosing to sit front of a computer is your choice, i went ahead and actually worked with both species and made the effort too not only visit these 10 plus many more but also get to know the programs as well and how they are run. Whats your unbias prespective? AZA? Go to multiple facilities to talk to handlers not just these 10. You would all be enlightened. The rest of your post I agree with.
 
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Im not talking about IDA specifically, i hope everyone on here realizes the crock of **** they are. Just inform yourself with as many experienced resources as you can before you make any kind of opinion.
For example, Pachyderm Pro must be from the chicago/illinois area. However there hasnt been an elephant or elephant handler, for that matter, in that state for over 5 years. Let alone only a couple facilities in the surrounding states that do have them. I would venture out and get more knowledge before making any comments in a public forum
 
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Im not talking about IDA specifically, i hope everyone on here realizes the crock of s*** they are. Just inform yourself with as many experienced resources as you can before you make any kind of opinion.
For example, Pachyderm Pro must be from the chicago/illinois area. However there hasnt been an elephant or elephant handler, for that matter, in that state for over 5 years. Let alone only a couple facilities in the surrounding states that do have them. I would venture out and get more knowledge before making any comments in a public forum
I also consider Milwaukee County my hometown zoo, which has had elephants for nearly its whole existence. Just because two of my local zoo no longer house them doesn’t make my opinion invalid.
 
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