Frankie_number_1_fan

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As both species' populations have began to grow in recent years, I'm curious as to anyone's thoughts regarding any facilities that may potentially obtain elephants or any phase out facilities that may bring them back!

One that came to mind for instance as a likely future holder would be The Wilds in Ohio.
The facility is absolutely massive, and definitely would have the room to manage a breeding herd in addition to their other animals. The Wilds has also been working on improving guest accessibility to viewing areas outside the open air safari, starting with their new giraffe barn, so the issue of guests having limited viewing would likely be easily solved.

The species would more than likely be African, given that the main zoo is focusing on Asian elephants. While technically both facilities could breed Asians (Like Pittsburgh is trying to do with Africans), I find that there will likely be a greater need to house Africans in the future. Given their success with breeding, It's doubtless that they'd be a powerhouse within the population.
 
As both species' populations have began to grow in recent years, I'm curious as to anyone's thoughts regarding any facilities that may potentially obtain elephants or any phase out facilities that may bring them back!

One that came to mind for instance as a likely future holder would be The Wilds in Ohio.
The facility is absolutely massive, and definitely would have the room to manage a breeding herd in addition to their other animals. The Wilds has also been working on improving guest accessibility to viewing areas outside the open air safari, starting with their new giraffe barn, so the issue of guests having limited viewing would likely be easily solved.

The species would more than likely be African, given that the main zoo is focusing on Asian elephants. While technically both facilities could breed Asians (Like Pittsburgh is trying to do with Africans), I find that there will likely be a greater need to house Africans in the future. Given their success with breeding, It's doubtless that they'd be a powerhouse within the population.

For Example, White Oak Conservation added Asian Elephants to their Facility mostly they were former Circus Animals from Ringling Bros.
 
If I plan a Zoo in a future which would be a big, It would have both African Bush Elephants and Asian Elephants.

They are my Favorite Animal!
 
Do you think there will be more new holders? Personally, I think the number of current holders will still decrease, especially with many older animals still around.
 
Do you think there will be more new holders? Personally, I think the number of current holders will still decrease, especially with many older animals still around.
According to their master plan, Asian elephants are slated to return to the San Antonio Zoo in a few years. This article below makes this statement about elephants coming back:
But the elephants are returning, Our next phase is going to involve returning Asian elephants to the Zoo.”
PGAV Destinations: Celebrating the community and the zoo
 
All I will say is, don't get your hopes up, especially with Africans. I truly think it is a pipe dream.
There will have to be more holders for africans especially and I'm not entirely sure why you think there won't be? Zoos with more than two matrilines will more than likely be unable to sustain so many unrelated females together longterm, and with breeding taking off there will be a demand for more holders in the future. Elephants are an expensive endeavor, but a very popular visitor magnet. While I doubt we'll see holders drastically expanding, there will be (like always) facilities investing in elephants. I would argue there's increased demand with how many calves we have on the ground right now.
 
I'm not entirely sure why you think there won't be?
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Because we've had a negative growth for decades. EEHV is still killing off a ton of calves. As much as it is nice to have the good two years we have had, it still doesn't undo the decades of few births and many deaths. Who knows how many of the calves born this last two years will actually make it to adulthood as sad as it is to say. The vaccine seems promising, at least.


Zoos with more than two matrilines will more than likely be unable to sustain so many unrelated females together longterm, and with breeding taking off there will be a demand for more holders in the future.
I know, but how many splits are actually upcoming? Houston and Saint Louis are the only two I can think of. White Oak might want to split theirs up as well, but who knows with them.
 
All I will say is, don't get your hopes up, especially with Africans. I truly think it is a pipe dream.
Brookfield Zoo publicly announced African elephants will be included in the next phase of their masterplan- I doubt they would've announced elephants as an upcoming addition unless they were confident they'd be able to acquire them. There are at least five zoos with African elephants I can think of which may necessitate a herd split in the upcoming decade, so it truthfully doesn't seem like an unlikely possibility for me. That said- I think Brookfield will be the exception, not the rule, as I don't think there are many zoos that will wish to dedicate the space, money, and long-term expenses necessary to commit to adding elephants to a collection, especially given the extra scrutiny that elephants receive over other species.

As both species' populations have began to grow in recent years, I'm curious as to anyone's thoughts regarding any facilities that may potentially obtain elephants or any phase out facilities that may bring them back!

One that came to mind for instance as a likely future holder would be The Wilds in Ohio.
The facility is absolutely massive, and definitely would have the room to manage a breeding herd in addition to their other animals. The Wilds has also been working on improving guest accessibility to viewing areas outside the open air safari, starting with their new giraffe barn, so the issue of guests having limited viewing would likely be easily solved.

The species would more than likely be African, given that the main zoo is focusing on Asian elephants. While technically both facilities could breed Asians (Like Pittsburgh is trying to do with Africans), I find that there will likely be a greater need to house Africans in the future. Given their success with breeding, It's doubtless that they'd be a powerhouse within the population.
Truthfully, I don't think there will be many completely new facilities. Furthermore, I don't think completely new facilities are what is needed. The first priority for future bachelor holders and/or herd splits should be current geriatric holders who already have respectable elephant programs and will only need minimal renovations to house these new social structures. Specifically, I suspect the following holders will receive a new herd within the next 20 years:
Current African holders
  • Cheyenne Mountain Zoo
  • Jacksonville Zoo
  • Zoo Miami
  • Zoo Atlanta
  • Maryland Zoo
  • North Carolina Zoo
  • Cleveland Metroparks Zoo
  • Roger Williams Park Zoo (would likely need a renovated and/or expanded exhibit, unknown if they will commit to elephants or not)
  • Memphis Zoo (has plans for a new exhibit)
  • Milwaukee County Zoo
Many of these facilities will move a lot of the major African elephant news further east- especially given the addition of a number of Southeastern facilities that will be in ideal locations for cooperation with Tampa and Disney. Given the lack of other African elephant holders in the northeast, I suspect Roger Williams Park Zoo would be a better fit for Asian elephants- as they are in a logistically easier location for a bachelor holder cooperating with Rosamond Gifford Zoo, Smithsonian's National Zoo, Columbus, and Cincinnati, than they are with any of the major African holders.

Current Asian holders
  • Zoo Miami
  • Audubon Zoo
  • Bronx Zoo (will require new exhibit)
  • Tulsa Zoo
I fully believe that Bronx Zoo will commit to elephants in a new exhibit going forward, despite their lack of stated plans for a new exhibit, and Bronx certainly has the ability to commit to a really impressive elephant complex. Despite their youngest elephant being Asian, Zoo Miami could go with either elephant species going forward- most of the other Southeast holders are African, however White Oak is perhaps the most major Asian holder there is, so it would be beneficial having an additional Southeast Asian elephant holder they can cooperate with too.
 
Truthfully, I don't think there will be many completely new facilities.
Completely agree. I think we'll see a few pop up just as animal availability changes or as masterplans evolve but we won't see zoos flocking to bring them in (Nor was that what I was trying to imply by making this thread). Most facilities that receive elephants as a "new" animal may be like Brookfield and just be bringing them back after a period of a phase out. Knoxville and Louisville feel like strong contendors in a few decades or so, as elephants were a strong draw at both zoos (especially Louisville). I think we may see some larger safari parks take them on in the longterm, simply due to having an automatically large space and only having to put major funds towards a barn rather than taking up a significant portion of zoo space.
 
Because we've had a negative growth for decades. EEHV is still killing off a ton of calves.
The US African elephant population has never had this much breeding success. Before 2022 we were having minimal births, so a nevative population trend is an obvious outcome. While EEHV is certianly a threat that could, in theory, wipe out half of the current calves, the reason it's been so devastating in terms of numbers is because of so few calves.
I think the Asian Elephant population will need a few years to reach that same success, but all things considering we should see similar growth within the next few years.

I know, but how many splits are actually upcoming?
The splits I'm moreso referring to are from the African elephant population. The SDZ Safari Park, Sedgewick County and Omaha for example all have multiple matrilines living in decently large groups. These aren't splits that will happen in a few years, but in the longterm. The same is the case for Asian Elephants, where any splits we see wont be for a decade or so.
 
I want to add in Brookfield's defense as well that local residents never really accepted the loss of elephants to begin with and have been asking for their return continously for fifteen years - in fact, before the last elephant left local residents were expressing hope for a new exhibit and an expanded herd. The community support is strong for this and there's really been no local pushback to the idea.
 
I would be super happy if I were wrong, but I just don't have a super positive outlook.

Brookfield Zoo publicly announced African elephants will be included in the next phase of their masterplan- I doubt they would've announced elephants as an upcoming addition unless they were confident they'd be able to acquire them.
To be fair, they also said they would add sun bears and congo buffalo. Hopefully they can get all three, but I wouldn't say the masterplan is as set as we would all like it to be.

Truthfully, I don't think there will be many completely new facilities.
100% agree there.
 
I fully believe that Bronx Zoo will commit to elephants in a new exhibit going forward, despite their lack of stated plans for a new exhibit, and Bronx certainly has the ability to commit to a really impressive elephant complex.

I thought Bronx announced they wouldn’t be receiving any more elephants?
 
I assume @Frankie_number_1_fan means that elephants will be brought back to a new enclosure.
Yep that's what I mean. "Facility" as in current elephant holding building and enclosure.
Bronx has stated they'll never hold elephants again like they do now. I assume we'll see Happy and Patty die and Bronx will have a period of time without elephants, but I doubt this will be a permenant loss. Bronx is a conservation and breeding leader in the zoo world, and a new Elephant exhibit would only further secure that for them. It would also be a breath of some positive publicity after years of their elephant program receiving scrutiny.
 
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