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So Monkeyworld once again have a Sumatran Orangutan.

His mother 'Maria' at Santillana has at least two previous offspring(females) still at the zoo. She is the daughter of Bristol Zoo's pair 'Anne' and 'Adam' (both now dead) which were sent 'on loan' to Santillana when Bristol gave up Orangutans. So this little male is also related to Chester's group, (his mother and Emma/Subis's father Oscar being half -brother and sister).
 
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A bit soon to say this, seeing as the little lad has only just arrived at Monkey World, but does anyone know where his long term home will be? During infancy and while he is a juvenile, obviously he will be fine with the other orangs in the "Orang Nursery" group. This is the only orang creche in Europe and arguably the best place for him at the moment, since Monkey World has such a good reputation with apes.

I am assuming, (perhaps wrongly), that he is not so well genetically represented as to be surplus to breeding requirements. Assuming he is to be bred from, he cannot go into either of the "adult" groups, (both Bornean), since he would father hybrid offspring. Are Monkey World intending to set up a Sumatran group or will he be moved on somewhere else to meet some ladies? Or will he integrated with a non breeding Bornean female group, (either he or they on some form of contraception)?

I ask this question about his future because I am unaware of any primates moving FROM Monkey World as part of any breeding program, (although they are involved in several). For example, Sam and Sage, the Siamangs, went to Monkey World as part of a breeding program. They produced one male offspring, Onion, before Sam was vasectomised. However, when Onion approached breeding age he was castrated, so he could continue to live with his parents, rather than moving to another institution to be paired up. I never worked out why!
 
i think depending on wether they get any othe sumartran orangs he might stay but he would probly go and live in anothe sumartran orang group at another zoo or even go back to where he came from :S but dont think they have made any plan yet as he only arived on the 2nd of december and not even a year old he a few year before any thing need to be surted out just yet.......

and with the siamangs i dont no why they didnt eather bring a female in for onion but im shure they had a reason may be the facted thet sage didnt give brith natruly might have been one reason but now sam and onion are living together nicely after the sad loss of sage
 
GreatApe said:
A bit soon to say this, seeing as the little lad has only just arrived at Monkey World, but does anyone know where his long term home will be? During infancy and while he is a juvenile, obviously he will be fine with the other orangs in the "Orang Nursery" group. This is the only orang creche in Europe and arguably the best place for him at the moment, since Monkey World has such a good reputation with apes.

I am assuming, (perhaps wrongly), that he is not so well genetically represented as to be surplus to breeding requirements. Assuming he is to be bred from, he cannot go into either of the "adult" groups, (both Bornean), since he would father hybrid offspring. Are Monkey World intending to set up a Sumatran group or will he be moved on somewhere else to meet some ladies? Or will he integrated with a non breeding Bornean female group, (either he or they on some form of contraception)?

I ask this question about his future because I am unaware of any primates moving FROM Monkey World as part of any breeding program, (although they are involved in several). For example, Sam and Sage, the Siamangs, went to Monkey World as part of a breeding program. They produced one male offspring, Onion, before Sam was vasectomised. However, when Onion approached breeding age he was castrated, so he could continue to live with his parents, rather than moving to another institution to be paired up. I never worked out why!
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Regarding the Siamangs it could just be that as there are plenty of Siamangs in the UK zoo community currently , surplus animals have been difficult to re-house in recent years , this is one reason why they arrived at Monkey World originally.
 
as far as i am aware the orangs that come to the monkey world creche are still owned by the zoos that they originate from and will return to them in the future.
 
Does anyone else find the picture attached with this story a little strange? It looks to me like the orang made the journey in a regular (ferry?) cabin just as you or I would. I was wondering if this was normal practice in transportation of animals? Not saying I would complain at such a sweet looking traveller and he's probably better behaved than some I've encountered, it just looks odd.
 
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Does anyone else find the picture attached with this story a little strange? It looks to me like the orang made the journey in a regular (ferry?) cabin just as you or I would. I was wondering if this was normal practice in transportation of animals? Not saying I would complain at such a sweet looking traveller and he's probably better behaved than some I've encountered, it just looks odd.
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It's an 11 month old baby, how else should it travel?
 
Well that's precisely what I'm asking, I'm not criticising, just questioning. I wondered if there were DERFA regulations or animal transport regs about this sort of thing?
 
amy said:
Well that's precisely what I'm asking, I'm not criticising, just questioning. I wondered if there were DERFA regulations or animal transport regs about this sort of thing?
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I think I've read somewhere that they had to get special permission for him to travel in a cabin. I would imagine that it stipulated that he had to stay in the cabin and not be too 'touristy' wandering round the boat :)

Having said that Joly the Russian baby orang flew overin the main part of the plane. Again special permission was needed.
 
GreatApe said:
I am assuming, (perhaps wrongly), that he is not so well genetically represented as to be surplus to breeding requirements.
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This little male and his two elder sisters still at Santillana are (so far) the only descendants of Bristol's male 'Adam' so he will probably be genetically valuable in future, although he needs to be 10/11 years old before he can realistically join a breeding group (though he could easily be fertile well before that). At that stage, like Padang from Chester he could be sent to any existing group that the EEP recommends he go to, or a new group being set up, provided the owners agree to the transfer. Presumably his owners are Santillana though his mother 'Maria', who was born at Santillana herself, is owned by Bristol Zoo, who loaned them her parents, Adam & Anne.

The EEP would, I believe, like to see more holders of Sumatran orangutans, due to their greater rarity in the wild. Possibly Monkeyworld themselves might consider establishing a Sumatran orangutan breeding group but it would require them building another new enclosure, or maybe another UK zoo might apply to keep this species by then.

Bristol have also mentioned Sumatran Orangutans in the plans for their new Conservation Park but that is some years away yet, though if it becomes reality he could even end up in the city his grandparents came from.
 
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we will have to waight and see what is to become of the new orang he is only 11 months and he still has 8 9 years before he will need to move
 
GreatApe said:
A bit soon to say this, seeing as the little lad has only just arrived at Monkey World, but does anyone know where his long term home will be? During infancy and while he is a juvenile, obviously he will be fine with the other orangs in the "Orang Nursery" group. This is the only orang creche in Europe and arguably the best place for him at the moment, since Monkey World has such a good reputation with apes.

I am assuming, (perhaps wrongly), that he is not so well genetically represented as to be surplus to breeding requirements. Assuming he is to be bred from, he cannot go into either of the "adult" groups, (both Bornean), since he would father hybrid offspring. Are Monkey World intending to set up a Sumatran group or will he be moved on somewhere else to meet some ladies? Or will he integrated with a non breeding Bornean female group, (either he or they on some form of contraception)?

I ask this question about his future because I am unaware of any primates moving FROM Monkey World as part of any breeding program, (although they are involved in several). For example, Sam and Sage, the Siamangs, went to Monkey World as part of a breeding program. They produced one male offspring, Onion, before Sam was vasectomised. However, when Onion approached breeding age he was castrated, so he could continue to live with his parents, rather than moving to another institution to be paired up. I never worked out why!
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monkey world have sent woolly monkeys to other zoo in europe!!!
 
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