Panda!

Vulpes

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Ive been reading this very good book "Zoo 2000 - a look beyond the bars" by Jeremy Cherfas. I was reading a paragraph that mentioned that the first westerner to see a Giant panda was in in 1913! I read it twice and thought surely a misprint. after doing some research it appears the information is correct! I know it sounds like a long time ago but when you think about other significant events at the time, for example the people on the titanic would not have known about the Giant panda! I just find it incredible that such an iconic animal has only been known for less than 100 years.
 
Hi Vulpes,
The giant panda was discovered and described for the first time by French missionary Dominique David Armand (later known as Father David) in 1869 !!!!! So apparently he, as true French was the first Westerner to see live giant panda. A skeleton and a couple of skins were sent by him to Natural History Museum in Paris, where this mysterious animal was described by French zoologist A.Milne-Edwards under scientific name Ailuropoda melanoleuca. Yes this is true that for the next 40 or so years nobody else had the chance to see live pandas. Only in 1915, dr.Weigold from German Expedition to China and Thibet, was lucky enough to see another giant panda in the wild. The first live giant panda left China only in 1937 (famous Su-Lin acquired by Chicago Brookfiled Zoo), followed by another 4 pandas which arrived in London Zoo in December 1938.
There are 40 or so books only devoted to the giant panda !!! My suggestion is that you should refer to the "panda classic" which apparently is: Ramona Morris, Desmond Morris, Men and Pandas, Hutchinson, London 1966 (this book was later reissued several times).
 
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Pere David was certainly the first Westerner to discover the giant panda but he never saw one alive. The first specimen he saw was a skin in a local hunter's house on the 11 March 1869. The hunters promised to obtain a specimen for him and set off the next day, returning ten days later with a young cub which they had caught alive but killed in order to transport it easier. An adult female panda was brought to him several days later, also dead. Coincidentally just two days later he was brought his first (also dead) red panda specimen (which was already known to Western science).

The first Westerner to see a live giant panda was, as Vulpes says, in 1913 (I've also seen dates of 1915 and 1916 so I'm not sure which is correct) , when German zoologist Hugo Weigold was given a live cub by some local hunters. It died shortly after as it had not yet been weaned, and the skin ended up in the Berlin Museum along with the skins of five other adults provided by the local hunters.

The first Westerner to see a giant panda in the wild was possibly J. Houston Edgar, an explorer and missionary who wrote in 1924 that he had in 1916 seen "an animal asleep in the forks of a high oak tree which has puzzled me ever since. It was very large, seemed quite white, and was curled up in a great ball very much after the manner of cats. It was unknown, and a source of wonder, to my Tibetans." Other claimants are Lieutenant J.W. Brooke and General G.E. Pereira. There is no actual proof for any of the three.

The first Westerners to kill a giant panda was a double-team of Kermit and Theodore Roosevelt (sons of President Theodore Roosevelt) who both shot the same panda at the same time on 23 April 1928.
 
Yes, "Chlidonias" is right. It was my error. Apparently Pere (Father) David was not lucky to see living giant panda.
 
I just think its amazing that they have only recently been discovered! I would have thought that with trade routes from the east to the west that some pandas would have been part of old menageries! (whether or not they would have lived very long) Interesting it just shows you that you can learn something new everyday!
 
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