ZYBen
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thought you all might like a look at this http://www.environment.sa.gov.au/animalwelfare/pdfs/circus_05.pdf
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torie
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this is really intersting reading, the fact that al tree groups came together and seem to have been able to come up with something that works for all invloved is a good sign.
i am a bit congused however as to why the minimum size for lions is so much smaller then the minimum size for sheep and goats? did i read something wrong or is this the case? the definition of a big cat is intersting too becasue it says that a big cat is "A large member of the cat family which has the ability to roar." were does that put tigers because i didint think they could 'roar' in the same way as say lions.
i am a bit congused however as to why the minimum size for lions is so much smaller then the minimum size for sheep and goats? did i read something wrong or is this the case? the definition of a big cat is intersting too becasue it says that a big cat is "A large member of the cat family which has the ability to roar." were does that put tigers because i didint think they could 'roar' in the same way as say lions.
yes they certainly can!
as can leopards and jaguars and whilst i have never personally heard it - so too should snow leopards be able. no big cat can however, purr - thats a feathure of the small cats and its used as a general rule to distingish the pantherines (true big cats) from the other small cats and inbetweeners like the cheetah and puma.
as can leopards and jaguars and whilst i have never personally heard it - so too should snow leopards be able. no big cat can however, purr - thats a feathure of the small cats and its used as a general rule to distingish the pantherines (true big cats) from the other small cats and inbetweeners like the cheetah and puma.
roaring cats
This is interesting...
I used to think there were five 'Big' cat species, as defined by their ability to roar- is it something to do with the possession of a 'hyoid' bone in those five species that all the smaller cats don't possess?
Without going to the books, what are the five?
Lion, Tiger, Leopard, Jaguar.... and is it Snow Leopard... or Puma?
I think Pumas can roar too(a bit high pitched?)- but I've never heard a snow leopard though.
I've heard Tiger roaring in the wild- its a deeper, shorter note than Lion and repeated at intervals rather than the familiar series produced by Lions. In Leopards the roaring is called 'sawing' as that's what it sounds like, Jags make a similar sound.
This is interesting...
I used to think there were five 'Big' cat species, as defined by their ability to roar- is it something to do with the possession of a 'hyoid' bone in those five species that all the smaller cats don't possess?
Without going to the books, what are the five?
Lion, Tiger, Leopard, Jaguar.... and is it Snow Leopard... or Puma?
I think Pumas can roar too(a bit high pitched?)- but I've never heard a snow leopard though.
I've heard Tiger roaring in the wild- its a deeper, shorter note than Lion and repeated at intervals rather than the familiar series produced by Lions. In Leopards the roaring is called 'sawing' as that's what it sounds like, Jags make a similar sound.
Nope, despite the fact that they are sometimes as big or bigger than a leopard, pumas are not one of the "big five" and are regarded as being in the "small" cat group.
The clouded leopard (the world's most beautiful cat) is sometimes regarded as being something of a link species between the two groups, not based on whether it can roar, but on it's skull structure.
The clouded leopard (the world's most beautiful cat) is sometimes regarded as being something of a link species between the two groups, not based on whether it can roar, but on it's skull structure.
but no seriously thanks for clearing that up for me.it seems cheetah and puma are best described as intermediate cats. in fact i have read they descend from the same lineage, something that seems odd given the radically different current geographical distribution of the two species, but nontheless makes sense when you realise that cheetah in fact evolved in north america. also jaguar and leopards similiarities (two other species found in polar hemispheres) are not coincidental or convergent - the two species share a recent common ancestor and are very closely related.
and ara, whilst the clouded leopard is smaller than some "small" cat species - you can certainly see the resemblance to the big cats in the face can't you? they have very large box-like muzzles that are reminiscent of tigers and lions rather than a bobcat or even puma.
i suspect that the minimum size for lions is smaller than sheep becus ethere is no sense to such stupid permits anyway.
and ara, whilst the clouded leopard is smaller than some "small" cat species - you can certainly see the resemblance to the big cats in the face can't you? they have very large box-like muzzles that are reminiscent of tigers and lions rather than a bobcat or even puma.
i suspect that the minimum size for lions is smaller than sheep becus ethere is no sense to such stupid permits anyway.
Big Cats can purr but only when breathing in one direction. however if you spend time with cheetah you can hear it, and feel it through their bodies constantly. You can have your hand at the base of the tail and still feel the vibrations of a happy kitty, not the case with the big cats, they also tend to "purr" when disturbed rather than happy like the small cats
Cheetah/Puma. Yes, there was a pleistocene (not plasticine) cheetah that evolved in North America. That's why at one stage it was suggested that the supposed 'onza' might be a relict form of this species. In fact it doesn't seem any different from a puma.
Jaguar/leopard- apart from their colouration, that would explain the similar voices too.