ZSL London Zoo Tiger Trouble at ZSL

a new tiger enclosure? where will this be and how is it going to be funded?
 
The Mappin Terraces maybe...
 
The Mappin Terraces maybe...

Ah that old badger is it only to be a temproary enclosure??? lol

Seems silly that they have stated that its only becasue they had injurires the acted?? So if they got on fine the enclosure would be still adequate??
 
Lol.
Maybe the people who issue the zoo licence were desperate for any excuse to make them change the enclosure...
It is a bit too small I guess.
 
Lol.
Maybe the people who issue the zoo licence were desperate for any excuse to make them change the enclosure...
It is a bit too small I guess.

Were as other zoos have had inadequate facilities for years and also holding more animal then it can meaning some having to stay inside crampt indoor facilities???? Seems odd to me:confused: but then I suppose they have different inspectors.
 
mappin isnt a bad idea,

maybe they could move the lions out and use the two enclosures together, would that be big enough?
 
I think the Lions are probably a huge draw though. If they were to use the Mappins for Tigers, then maybe the Lions could get the Tiger area as well.
 
£5 million buys a lot of tiger enclosure. I know the ZSL doesn't do things on the cheap, but I doubt if the new Siberian tiger enclosure at the HWP cost anything like that, although of course the situation is very different.
I doubt if they will want to move the lions away or even to somewhere else in the zoo. So they can either enlarge the current enclosure by incorporating some or all of the unused 'Display Lawn' between the tigers and the Casson building or build something new in the wooded areas on the north or south bank of the canal - in other words beside the Clore or on the opposite bank (which I think may be the best bet).
The current trend is to use the Sumatran tigers as the focus of a Sumatran display: I'm sure they won't have rhinos or orangs, but what other Sumatran species could they put beside the tigers - gibbons? peacock pheasants? perhaps even a hornbill or two?

Alan
 
wow, pertinax youre a genius! yes i think gibbon and hornbill will be a good idea. maybe a swamp theme similar to marwells?
 
£5 million buys a lot of tiger enclosure. I doubt if they will want to move the lions away or even to somewhere else in the zoo. So they can either enlarge the current enclosure by incorporating some or all of the unused 'Display Lawn' between the tigers and the Casson building or build something new in the wooded areas on the north or south bank of the canal ?

Alan

I think its highly likely this exhibit will follow their current trend- as with Gorilla Kingdom- a lavish enclosure for the Tigers with a few smaller zone-related exhibits e.g. gibbons, Hornbills associated with it. I would really prefer to see the new 'Tigers of the Asian Rainforest'(my name ;)) built in an entirely new area- as you suggest the North bank area holds the best possibilities. I think its much better if they don't live near the sound & smell of the Lions as possibly this may cause considerable (though undetected) stress to nervous animals like Tigers (who knows it might be partially the cause of the lack of breeding?)

The Lions could then have an extended and renovated area incorporating their own and the existing Tiger enclosure- no doubt with attendant species e.g. Langurs & peafowl or parakeets perhaps- ' The Lions of India' ;)

I don't believe either species will end up in the Mappin terrace area after its recent renovation as an Australian exhibit- I think that is at least a semi-permanent display.
 
great idea pertinax! i can see it following a very similar trend to gorilla kingdom, maybe with some conservation links.
 
What a complete waste of space?

Maybe, but this is the style of new major developments at ZSL. My guess is the design would be similar to e.g. the Lion & Cheetah exhibits at Whipsnade, with Glass viewing windows, bamboo + forest-type planting etc plus plenty of interpretive material and 'feel' of an Asian rainforest(e,g. a replica of a wildlife ranger's hut!:D) incorporated in it.

If they used the North Bank area it wouldn't exactly be wasting space, more using up some unused space. Whatever enclosure size they are given, the shyer Sumatran tigers will probably be semi-invisible much of the time anyway, unlike Siberian Tigers or Lions, which show themselves well in nearly any exhibit.
 
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Having just moved one large carnivore off the mappins I really doubt they'll plan to install another, as we keep going back to the fact that there is virtually no opportunity to create decent indoor space on the terraces themselves, plus the height of the barriers required might even interfere with the listed status, especially given that the one of the major current drawbacks at ZSL are the singular outdoor enclosures for their two big cat species. I can't imagine the mappins separated into high-fenced paddocks somehow.

The lion terraces are such a bad use of space that it would be entirely possible to create larger compounds for both species. From a welfare perspective, it would be better though if, as people suggest, the vast area along the North bank were utilised for one cat species, where the crane paddocks used to be. Or they should just make three island pond the second tiger paddock, I don't think they're likely to breed from either flamingoes or pelicans in that enclosure....

The idea that you can ask visitors and supporters, who already pay £15 when entering the zoo (with an optional £1.50 added on for 'tiger conservation') to help pay for ZSL to whip up a fanciful trail through the Indonesian rainforest, is totally ridiculous. It doesn't cost 5 million to house tigers in decent enclosures elsewhere in captivity, so why should it do so at a collection which makes such a big deal out of the in situ work it does yet has long-owed it's two non-breeding, slightly disturbed Sumatran tigers just a decent outdoor enclosure with some height, privacy, separation and space, not some disneyfied 'experience' with lots of glass and contemporary design....paid for by public appeals and taking longer due to the costs involved.

At least the females are being swapped back, I never thought I'd think it was a good idea to send anything to Dudley, but in this case it is the best thing they can do for now.
 
The idea that you can ask visitors and supporters, who already pay £15 when entering the zoo (with an optional £1.50 added on for 'tiger conservation') to help pay for ZSL to whip up a fanciful trail through the Indonesian rainforest, is totally ridiculous.

Chester have done this for a number of years. Asked for an additional donation to fund all sorts of projects and insitu conservation projects.
 
At least the females are being swapped back, I never thought I'd think it was a good idea to send anything to Dudley, but in this case it is the best thing they can do for now.

Its interesting how ZSL have probably been the least successful UK zoo with this species. Paignton, Dudley, Chessington etc having all had more success.

As discussed before, I think the lack of success is more than just incompatable partners. But I still suspect that ZSL will build something lavish(a 'Trail' type exhibit) as that seems more their current design for the major 'flagship' species at least. Whatever they build, I think the Lions and Tigers would be better far apart and the North Bank would be the best site for a tiger enclosure.
 
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