Toronto Zoo Toronto 2nd worst zoo for elephants

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At least according to a California-based animal rights group; referring to "unprecedented" death rate for the elephants...:(


Tusk! Tusk! Toronto is on worst zoo list - thestar.com

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Tusk! Tusk! Toronto is on worst zoo list
Critics slam Toronto Zoo's treatment of elephants, but councillor says they have 'gold-standard' lives


Elephants do not get jelly beans on the African savannah. Or the services of recreation directors. They also don't get freezing temperatures that confine them to a 37-square-metre space for part of the year.

But those are all part of life for the Toronto Zoo's elephant herd, whose fast-dwindling numbers present a dilemma for their keepers: Bring in fresh blood, or retire Toka, Thika and Iringa to some southern pachyderm haven?

Four elephants have died at the zoo in the past four years, including Tara, who died in November at 41.

A California-based animal rights group calls that an "unprecedented" death rate and ranked Toronto No. 2 on its list of North America's 10 worst zoos for elephants.

Three is the minimum number recommended for the well-being of these highly social animals, according to the Association of Zoos and Aquariums (AZA) – which
makes Toronto's exhibit just one death away from unhealthy.

And Toka and Iringa are both about 40, making them either middle-aged or senior citizens, depending on which expert you ask.

There are plans to expand and renovate the elephant exhibit, including adding heated floors to accommodate their tender feet. But the price tag is as much as $50 million, at a time when the zoo's 10-year, $250 million fundraising campaign is stalled.

The zoo board says it's committed to keeping the popular animals, but a decision depends on research and a report due next month.

The zoo could bring in elephants from overseas, borrow from a zoo in North America, or close the exhibit.

That last option is preferred by critics such as Rob Laidlaw, executive director of the wildlife protection charity Zoocheck, who thinks Toronto is too cold and its exhibit too small for the elephants' health.


Toronto ranked behind only San Antonio, Texas, in Calif.-based In Defense of Animals' 10 worst zoos list, released Tuesday. Other zoos on the list are in Houston, Topeka, Kan., and Toledo, Ohio.

The group, which based its conclusions on Toronto contacts and media reports, says the zoo's enclosure lacks the space, natural conditions and especially the climate elephants need. Pachyderms are dying at an "unprecedented rate," the group said in a release Tuesday, noting the zoo has lost four elephants "prematurely" in four years – two just last year.

The zoo's interim chief executive, Peter Evans, declined to comment on the list, saying he doesn't want to give credibility to the group's remarks.

The Detroit Zoo closed its pachyderm exhibit in 2004. "Michigan winters are too cold for the elephants to be outside," the zoo said. "They spent the majority of their time inside the building, which ... prevented them from travelling as much as they should." It cited in particular the serious foot problems elephants suffered from standing on cold, hard floors so much of the time.

But Toronto Councillor Glenn De Baeremaeker, who sits on the Toronto Zoo board, counters that its elephants receive "gold standard" treatment compared with life in the wild, where they might have been culled or poached.

Inside the building, the three females can choose from eight pens, each about 37 square metres, the minimum recommended size. Their outdoor paddock is just less than half a hectare, which is lots of room to roam and luxuriate in, zoo officials argue. Unless it's below freezing.

They're fed seven to a dozen times a day, including a full bale of hay first thing in the morning and as a last meal at night.

Keepers also facilitate "enrichment" activities for the three giant gals, such as letting them play with a barrel, a large ball, a tire or a log, often hoisted to them in large nets.

Each elephant gets a daily session of maintenance and training, at which they undergo what their seven keepers call "behaviours."

"You ask an elephant for her front right foot. She gives you that. Then you check it and wash it," explains Eric Cole, animal care supervisor for the exhibit. "You do it again with her front left foot ... the cue is saying `foot' and pointing to the elephant's foot." Such inspections are vital because foot problems can create serious health issues for elephants.

Successfully executing a command is rewarded with a "treat pouch" filled with chopped fruit and vegetables.

Other behaviours include turning about for an inspection of their hindquarters, opening their mouths, raising their trunks or submitting to injections or blood tests.

Keepers never reach into the elephants' pens when inspecting them. Rather, the elephants move on command toward "ports" – large holes between the bars in their cages for their ears, trunk and feet.

Cole says the elephants do go outside in winter, as long as the temperature is above freezing.

"It's nice to get them out, even in the snow," he explains.

Elephants adjust to different environments and "there's no scientific evidence" that cold weather is harmful to them, argues Steve Feldman, a spokesman for the AZA, which accredits the Toronto Zoo.

Feldman said he doesn't believe the Detroit Zoo "represents the consensus view on the subject."

African Lion Safari in Cambridge, which has four elephants, boasts "the most successful breeding program for Asian elephants in North America."

Of 180 zoos accredited by the AZA, 77 have elephants. Of that number, 61 have expanded or are expanding their elephant enclosures, Feldman says. Cleveland, Ohio, for instance, is spending $25 million on its project, while the National Zoo in Washington, D.C., is spending $60 million.

"By far," Feldman adds, "the trend is to commit to elephants and continue to improve the habitats and care provided to them."
 
I am an avid WildEarth viewer and there was a 30 year old bull which died from foot issues, etc. A wild ellie so stuff that can happen in captivity, can happen in the wild, too. If they care so much about Toronto's elephants, maybe they should give them $$$ to give them a new enclosure or move them to a sanctuary. It's always been my pet peeve when people only talk the talk and not walk the talk.

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This is B.S.! They need to learn and get their facts straight! I am sick and tired of the TZ getting smashed by poor elephant care! They have received the #1 standard of care of any zoo elephants world wide! I just can't stand when this is brought up, yes the exhibit is small and should be redone I agree but to go to the extent the arrogant rude people can go to is shameful! These "Animal Right's Group's" need to concentrate on areas that need improvement not say that a zoo is no place for elephants! There is no scientifically backed up study worldwide that can prove the average age of an elephant in the wild or that the colder climates can effect an elephants well fare and to call these deaths unprecedented! People just have to get hit in the face once in a while! I could go on for ever but I am going to stop.

Sorry, but that is my opinion.
 
Amen! And if it wasn't for TZ taking these ellies in, they would have been killed!

This is B.S.! They need to learn and get their facts straight! I am sick and tired of the TZ getting smashed by poor elephant care! They have received the #1 standard of care of any zoo elephants world wide! I just can't stand when this is brought up, yes the exhibit is small and should be redone I agree but to go to the extent the arrogant rude people can go to is shameful! These "Animal Right's Group's" need to concentrate on areas that need improvement not say that a zoo is no place for elephants! There is no scientifically backed up study worldwide that can prove the average age of an elephant in the wild or that the colder climates can effect an elephants well fare and to call these deaths unprecedented! People just have to get hit in the face once in a while! I could go on for ever but I am going to stop.

Sorry, but that is my opinion.
 
There is no scientifically backed up study worldwide that can prove the average age of an elephant in the wild or that the colder climates can effect an elephants well fare and to call these deaths unprecedented!

I agree- furthermore with the girls so close to each other in age; how could people not think that they'd follow each other closely in death? It's like being shocked that 3-4 people in a nursing home died over a short time period- it was going to happen eventually; regardless of whether the girls had heated flooring or an extra 10 m-squared area in the housing unit.

The most frusturating thing to swallow is that there's no appeasing animal rightists groups like these. You could spend the $40 million dollars (by the way Meaghan I'd also love to see these groups supporting renovations vs. the thousands they spend on propaganda) improving the exhibit, but they'll find something else to pin on...who knows after this they may start protesting against the unnatural feeding of jelly beans :rolleyes: ******
 
I can't resist commenting on this, but hopefully the Toronto Zoo fans on this forum won't be too angry with me........

My thoughts, which many Toronto Zoo fans could well agree with:

1- The elephant exhibit at the Toronto Zoo is badly outdated, and the zoo needs to either spend tens of millions of dollars to replace/renovate it, or the zoo needs to get rid of its elephants. One or the other will eventually happen, as the current elephant enclosure is extremely poor for its inhabitants. Seeing all of the other multi-acre elephant habitats being erected in North American zoos makes me think that Toronto has fallen behind the times.

2- The climate in Toronto is terrible for keeping elephants. Plain and simple. There is a lot of snowfall in the winter, and sometimes the elephants are given the option to go outside but many other times they are not allowed to leave their barn. The barn has barely enough space for the huge mammals that live there, and so the zoo knows that something must be done with its outdated barn.

3- I won't specifically comment on each of the deaths of the elephants, as many people have been touched by their disappearance, but both in the wild and in captivity elephants have been known to live much, much longer lives than the ones that do at the Toronto Zoo.

Toronto Zoo fans: don't get mad as I know that you are all passionate fans of your local zoo, but it is most definitely time for change in Canada's largest city.
 
You make very good points:

1 - I do agree with very much so,

2 - With the renovation the barn will be much larger and will accommodate the room for the elephants to be together and to be alone, there for no need to be outside in the winter.

3 - Elephant deaths on the other hand, I don't recall hearing about elephants in captivity living past 45? Nor do I ever recall reading any scientific article explaining elephants in the wild live to be 75 years or more if that is where you are coming from in respect to wild elephant ages. Yes they may live past 40 but rarely into their 50's. As zoos across the globe have been searching for evidence that the 75+ elephant age could be reached.

What bothered me about this article/ and others is that he claims to say that the elephants are all dying meaning the Toronto Zoo is not a good place to have any animals! As well as various other things, that he does not have his facts straight for.
 
I agree with Snowleopard.

Unfortunately, I have little time to develop my points so I will mainly make some references.


Elephants already predisposed to exhibiting stereotypical behaviour show an increase in the frequency of those behaviours as temperatures become colder.
Title: Low environmental temperature causes an increase in stereotypic behaviour in captive Asian elephants (Elephas maximus).
Author(s): Rees, Paul A.
Source: Journal of Thermal Biology Volume: 29 Issue: 1 Pages: 37-43 Published: January 2004


"Evidence does exist relating to the longevity, reproductive success and the health status of captive elephants which suggests that their management is not at as high a standard as it is for many other species kept in zoos, and that elephant welfare is likely to be compromised as a result."
quoted from
Title: Concepts in the care and welfare of captive elephants
Author(s): Veasey, J.
Source: International Zoo Yearbook Volume: 40 Pages: 63-79 Published: 2006


According to this report African elephant females have a maximum lifespan of over 65 years! Males can live to be about 60! Even when considering fatalities caused by humans female elephants still have a life expectancy at birth of 41 years!
Title: The demography of an African elephant (Loxodonta africana) population in Amboseli, Kenya
Author(s): Moss, Cynthia J.
Source: Journal of Zoology (London) Volume: 255 Issue: 2 Pages: 145-156 Published: October, 2001



All of this evidence does not necessarily mean that elephants should not be kept in captivity, but it does mean that Rob Laidlow's blog is not absolute, laugh inducing, non-sense.
 
Does anyone know when the elephant meeting will be? I would miss the ellies if the zoo does decide to rehome them, but I do want what is best for them.
 
I agree with Snowleopard.

Unfortunately, I have little time to develop my points so I will mainly make some references.

According to this report African elephant females have a maximum lifespan of over 65 years! Males can live to be about 60! Even when considering fatalities caused by humans female elephants still have a life expectancy at birth of 41 years!
Title: The demography of an African elephant (Loxodonta africana) population in Amboseli, Kenya
Author(s): Moss, Cynthia J.
Source: Journal of Zoology (London) Volume: 255 Issue: 2 Pages: 145-156 Published: October, 2001

Whereas I deeply respect Cynthia Moss's elephant work in Amboseli, I would concur that the Amboseli herds have been increasing after a severe poaching period in the 1970's or 1980's. This meaning the population remaining was mainly young with very few older females (and even less older male) and thus a high potential for increase. Only, this year have we seen any significant natural decline in the population in Amboseli. If one is to compare elephant age/sex ratios in the wild and in captivity reliably, it has to encompass both periods of natural growth and decline. Stochastic events and elephant density and mortality need to be entered reliably, meaning calf and infant deaths have to be set off to adult longevity .... and it has to include the non-natural deaths too (even human-induced).

Any previous non zoo studies on elephant longevity in captivity have used old data, where infamously designed by those opposed to elephants in captivity per se and did not give reliable results: e.g. Asian elephant ageing population, many older range individuals, past management/husbandry methods impacting elephant longevity and totally excluding the period from which European zoos determinedly so started managing elephant populations in captivity with a conservation breeding purpose in mind.

Suffice to say, there is yet much scope for improvement in elephant management and husbandry and breeding. However, where I continue to lambast the elephant negatives is that their arguements are designed around the idea no elephants in captivity as opposed to the fundamentals of improving both husbandry practice, elephant captive habitats and promoting its breeding potential. All those factors when applied correctly will - IMO undoubtedly - lead to an exponential growth in both Asian and African elephant conservation breeding programmes globally.

The development and longevity of elephants in captivity can only reliably be determined under improved conditions in another 25-30 years (as most of the oldies will then have died off and been replaced by more naturally structured elephant populations in captivity). Any further studies in this respect are invalid unless they take the latter reality on board.

Lest to say, that as Toronto Zoo bred elephants in its early years and had been without access to a good bull for considerable time ..., it is no surprise that the population in the end was not self sustaining. That has produced the current stale-mate. I feel we have moved on and am convinced that the current elephant management plans in TZ will lead to a more realistic set up for their elephants and resultant continual conservation breeding within the guidelines set by the African elephant SSP. I would thus advocate new imports designed to create a naturalistic herd with breeding bulls ....
 
Elephant meeting is sometime in the middle of Feb.
 
There was quite a commotion raised by zoos after the release of the now infamous Clubb and Mason paper of 2008. There were calls of flagrant error and misinterpretation issued by some zoos. Their concerns were compiled into a critique sent to Science. A counter argument was crafted by Mason et al. and the debate was sent to impartial referees for analysis. None of the criticism was warranted to be of sufficient value to be published in Science.

The data for Amboseli included both natural and non-natural (human induced) deaths; contrary to what many here have assumed.
According to this study African elephants did show a statistically significant increase in survivorship at zoos over time. However, that did not apply to Asian elephants. Just how much zoos will be able to increase elephant survivorship in the future is mostly conjecture.
Finally, the authors of the Clubb and Mason paper are hardly anti-captivity animal rights lobbyists. Their concern is mainly with identifying and improving welfare concerns at zoos.

Zoos and their supporters would do well not to ignore and laugh at such studies, but rather use the findings as initiative to do better for the animals under their care.
 
There are a lot of parallels between the arguments posed for moving the Toronto Zoo elephants and Lucy @ the Edmonton Zoo (climate and exhibit conditions, among others). It'll be interesting to see the impact the results of Lucy's case in court has on the Toronto Zoo's decision to move the girls (or not...); personally I think if the animal rights groups win Toronto Zoo will have no choice BUT to move the ellies elsewhere- but I guess we'll see.
 
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