zoogiraffe
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Well said Tetrapod i totaly agree with every thing you`ve just said.
Wales Ape & Monkey Sanctuary Wolf cubs 'rescue'
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The Orangutan situation there has always perplexed me too. It started by the then(?) curator being given a baby Orangutan(amy) as a gift when Gordon Mills relocated to America. Then they got Banghi from Chester as a mate for her, and eventually this pair produced Gordon before Banghi died.. Later they began to import the larger group of 'rescue' animals from Asia, including an adult male(Tuan) and the policy- unlike with the chimps- seems to always have been to encourage breeding from them, though to what end?
I believe recently they are also now taking in some rejected baby Orangutans from other European zoos to act as a 'nursery' for them. Does this indicate they are now acting within EEP guidelines or is it only a one-way situation?
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taun
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As far as am awhere, they are now participating in the EEP, however am unsure where the rescued orangutans come under. As I believe they are owned by the governments of the countries they were rescued from (well at least the ones from the S.E asian contries)
It will be interesting to see once all the orangutans are breeding whether animals go off to other collections.
Monkey World Orangutans.
This is where it gets complicated. Presumably the babies which were supplied by the zoos are still under EEP 'ownership' while the Asian imports would be owned, as you said, by the countries they came from, while Amy and Gordon are (presumably) Monkeyworld's own. So three quite seperate sources of 'ownership' in the one colony.
Also I'm not clear where the ones they do breed could go in the future. Orangutans breed very freely in captivity and most zoos that keep them already have their own breeding colonies so there isn't great demand there. Progeny from the 'Asian' animals presumably wouldn't be allowed into zoos anyway, but can they realistically be returned to Asia for rerelease into the wild? What else is the aim in producing them?
This is where it gets complicated. Presumably the babies which were supplied by the zoos are still under EEP 'ownership' while the Asian imports would be owned, as you said, by the countries they came from, while Amy and Gordon are (presumably) Monkeyworld's own. So three quite seperate sources of 'ownership' in the one colony.
Also I'm not clear where the ones they do breed could go in the future. Orangutans breed very freely in captivity and most zoos that keep them already have their own breeding colonies so there isn't great demand there. Progeny from the 'Asian' animals presumably wouldn't be allowed into zoos anyway, but can they realistically be returned to Asia for rerelease into the wild? What else is the aim in producing them?
taun
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One would think that with a couple of pairs of gibbons going back to hopefully be realised, the orangutan's will have a similar future. Its a tricky situation esp where animals breed between ownership.
It would be interesting to know whether the EEP orangutan crech means just that and once there are nearing sexual maturity they will be sent of to other collections.
I don't suppose asking them about this would even get a reply?
Jeremy Keeling managed Gordon Mill's private collection of orangs and gorillas at Weybridge - I was fortunate to visit the collection . As is stated above Amy was born and hand-reared by Jeremy and went with him to Monkeyworld when the Weybridge collection was disbanded . I think 2 of the gorillas went to Longleat with the rest of both going to collections in the States .
One young male gorilla came from Tyseley Pet Stores in Birmingham - I remember it being advertised for sale in 'Cage and Aviary Birds' . I also remember a pair of baby orangs being advertised . How things have changed !
One young male gorilla came from Tyseley Pet Stores in Birmingham - I remember it being advertised for sale in 'Cage and Aviary Birds' . I also remember a pair of baby orangs being advertised . How things have changed !
1. I imagine the EEP animals can be reclaimed and sent to other zoos at the EEp's discretion.
2. I'm thinking maybe the idea behind breeding orangutans there is for repatriation. I suspect if you asked they would say that was the intention. They are supposedly 'anti-zoo' so can't be breeding them to deliberately add to the zoo population(already pretty much at full capacity anyway)
I went once too. The enclosures were copied from his friend Aspinall's, but concrete floored. 3 of the Gorillas went to Longleat- the 2 old females, Tessy & Flossy (non-breeders which originally came from Copenh,agen) and the male 'Monty' who later fell in the lake and drowned. The others; Winston, Olly, Tzambo, Moemba & female Katie (the only younger female but she never bred), all went to San Diego Zoo & WAP. I think Moemba is still the silverback in one group, and possibly Winston in the other.
The Tysley Pet store gorilla was 'Olly' - he had a blind eye and was a very small male (probably stunted) like London's current one. I saw him both at Tysley's Pet Shop and later at Weybridge. He died(not surprisingly) without breeding.
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no, your memory is good, he was... I don't remember the baby elephant though.
Some of Gordon Mill's orangutans came from Belle Vue when it closed, including female 'Janey' (previously at Flamingo Park.) who was later the mother of Wareham's 'Amy'
The father of 'Amy' was 'Louis'- I think he was a Tylsey pet shop orangutan that was confiscated and held short term at one or more zoos(Dudley/flamingo Park etc) before going to Weybridge.
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