Yangtze Giant Softshell Turtle news

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This article is about the turtle living in Hoan Kiem Lake in Hanoi:
Sacred turtle sparks city clean-up - asia - world | Stuff.co.nz
Hundreds of people are working around the clock to clean up a lake in the heart of Vietnam's capital in hopes of saving a rare, ailing giant turtle that is considered sacred.

Experts say pollution at Hanoi's Hoan Kiem Lake is killing the giant freshwater turtle, which has a soft shell the size of a desk. It is one of the world's most-endangered species, with only four believed alive worldwide.

Teams of people are cleaning debris, pumping fresh water into the lake and building an artificial island to serve as a ``turtle hospital''. The rescuers may even try to net the beast for the first time as part of the effort.

The Hoan Kiem turtle is rooted in Vietnamese folklore, and some even believe the creature that lives in the lake today is the same mythical turtle that helped a Vietnamese king fend off the Chinese nearly six centuries ago.

The creature in Hanoi's lake swims alone and in the past has been glimpsed only rarely sticking its wrinkled neck out of the water.

But it has recently surfaced much more frequently, alarming the public with glimpses of raw open wounds on its head and legs.

Meetings were called, a council was established and 10 government agencies were put to work to try to save it.

It's the first time anyone has tried to capture the turtle, and Vietnamese have flocked to the lake in hopes of spotting it - a sign of good luck - as newspapers run daily articles about its plight.

"For the Vietnamese, the Hoan Kiem lake turtle is the most sacred thing,'' said retired state employee Nguyen Thi Xuan, 63, who travelled from a suburban district to try to get a glimpse of the beast.

"He has helped the Vietnamese to defeat foreign invaders and also helped the country to have peace. I hope he will live forever.''

The lake, which measures 1.6km is a city landmark for its curved red bridge leading to a temple on a tiny island. Weeping willows and other leafy trees shade a sidewalk that rings the water, a popular site for tourists and Hanoians to exercise and relax.

But the lake has been trashed with everything from bricks and concrete to plastic bags and raw sewage. It is not uncommon to see men urinating directly into the murky water.

The pollution is slowly killing the Hoan Kiem turtle, a Vietnamese scientist said.

"I believe the injuries were caused by sharp edges from debris in the lake,'' said Ha Dinh Duc, who has studied the lone turtle for 20 years and considers himself its caretaker.

"The poor quality of water also makes the conditions unbearable for the turtle.''

Duc said small red-eared turtles, which are popular pets, also have been released into the lake. They are believed to be feeding on the giant turtle's festering wounds, which may be worsening the infection.

The turtle rescue team hopes to coax the beast onto land so they can treat the wounds.

Sandbags have been built up to create a small island for it to emerge. But if it does not crawl onto the platform by itself, a net will be used to capture it.

Veterinarians will then work at the so-called ''turtle hospital'' to take skin and shell samples for analysis, and will then determine how to treat it. Photos reveal scars and pink open sores on its head and legs. A white fungus also covers a large section of its shell.

No one knows the turtle's age or gender, but scientists say it is probably the most endangered freshwater turtle species in the world. It weighs about 440 pounds (200 kilograms) and its massive shell stretches 6 feet long (1.8 metres long) and 4 feet wide (1.2 metres wide).

Legend has it that in the mid-15th century, King Le Loi defeated Chinese invaders with a magic sword given to him by the gods. After the victory, the king was said to be boating on the lake when a giant golden turtle rose to the surface and snatched the sword in its mouth before plunging deep into the water to return it to its divine owners.

The lake was later renamed ''Ho Hoan Kiem'', which means ''Lake of the Returned Sword'', and the tale became an important part of Vietnamese culture that continues to be taught in school and performed at popular water puppetry shows.

But real or mythical, the turtle that swims in the lake is a legend to the Vietnamese people who call him "cu rua", a word of great respect reserved for great-grandfathers.

"I prayed at a temple this morning hoping to have a glimpse of him,'' said Vu Thi Dung, a 58-year-old farmer who travelled 100km for her opportunity to see the turtle.

"I had a chance to see him three times already. I'm really glad. It's urgent to treat him and clean up the lake.''


See also this other thread specifically about the pair kept at Suzhou Zoo in China:
Suzhou Zoo - Yangtze softshell turtle losing the battle
 
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Chlidonias,

Welcome back ...!

Secondly: cannot get my head around the fact that they will clean out the lake and yet are happy to let the species with 4 known individuals to perish. One individual in one lake in Vietnam is a functionally extinct species.

First and foremost, Vietnam should wake up and clean up its act and record on conservation (and wild animal exploitation and consumption).
 
thanks :)

I guess its that same old problem that one sees world-over. Its easier to get people to do something actually tangible to them (i.e. in this case saving the life of an individual sacred turtle in the middle of the city) than it is to something more-or-less abstract to most peoples' lives like saving whole forests or other habitats.
 
Well in a very much needed positive turn of events, it appears another Yangzte Giant Softshell Turtle, Rafetus swinhoei, has been found surviving in the wild in Vietnam! This brings the known world population up to four individuals, with the other three being a male, female pair at the Suzhou Zoo in China and another wild individual elsewhere in Vietnam.

No news articles yet so here's the Turtle Survival Alliance's Facebook post:
Turtle Survival Alliance

~Thylo
 
That’s an incredible discovery! Will they catch this one and send it to China to try and breed it with the ones in the Suzhou Zoo?
 
My question is: how do they know there is only one? Technically, if eDNA could identify the turtle species, it might be possible also to find whether DNA of more turtles is present.
 
That’s an incredible discovery! Will they catch this one and send it to China to try and breed it with the ones in the Suzhou Zoo?
Its so frustrating, but I just can't see China and Vietnam cooperating on this. They are not good friends. I couldn't see exchanges happening unless in the unlikely event that both nations had produced multiple successful clutches...
 
There are two in Vietnam, maybe the two are male and female, and then Vietnam can have a breeding pair, but I am against China and Vietnam cooperating on this because China has been a part of our Vietnamese history as one of our worst enemies, anyways, there is a possibility the two in my homeland of Vietnam can be a pair.
 
There are two in Vietnam, maybe the two are male and female, and then Vietnam can have a breeding pair, but I am against China and Vietnam cooperating on this because China has been a part of our Vietnamese history as one of our worst enemies, anyways, there is a possibility the two in my homeland of Vietnam can be a pair.
There are four individuals of this species in existence.

Four.

And you oppose making necessary international connections to save them?

The female in China is likely unable to breed successfully. What if the same is the case for the individual in Vietnam? We don’t even know if there is a female in that country. But how could you possibly even consider leaving a species to extinction because of politics, when a solution can be made? I’d like to think the extinction of a species is a justifiable cause for two at-odds countries to cooperate on something.
 
There are four individuals of this species in existence.

Four.

And you oppose making necessary international connections to save them?

The female in China is likely unable to breed successfully. What if the same is the case for the individual in Vietnam? We don’t even know if there is a female in that country. But how could you possibly even consider leaving a species to extinction because of politics, when a solution can be made? I’d like to think the extinction of a species is a justifiable cause for two at-odds countries to cooperate on something.
as much as I want to, I guess “cooperating” would be last resort, and its not the government having to cooperate, its the conservationists that decide, so, the government of each country wouldn’t really care about this, so I’m telling you, the older one in Vietnam is probably a male, and if this is a female, Vietnam, by itself can breed those two, but cooperating between the two can probably be a last resort.
 
Last I heard of the species was on a Nature documentary. I actually thought they died and the species was extinct but I’m happy to see the species has at least 4 living individuals. I’m actually surprised that China and Vietnam are not working together as I thought since they are both communist governments they will work together (Yes I’m naive and I don’t know a lot about East Asian and Southeast Asian history) Nevertheless both countries need to work together to breed the turtles or the turtles might as well have tea parties with the dodo birds and the quaggas.
 
Last I heard of the species was on a Nature documentary. I actually thought they died and the species was extinct but I’m happy to see the species has at least 4 living individuals. I’m actually surprised that China and Vietnam are not working together as I thought since they are both communist governments they will work together (Yes I’m naive and I don’t know a lot about East Asian and Southeast Asian history) Nevertheless both countries need to work together to breed the turtles or the turtles might as well have tea parties with the dodo birds and the quaggas.
There isn't really one set form of communism. The Sino-Soviet split showed that as did the Stalin-Tito split. They aren't really 'communist' anyway. I believe the two countries have historically never really got along too well but I'm not entirely sure. This isn't the place for politics but I do hope that something can be done to help this species.
 
There isn't really one set form of communism. The Sino-Soviet split showed that as did the Stalin-Tito split. They aren't really 'communist' anyway. I believe the two countries have historically never really got along too well but I'm not entirely sure. This isn't the place for politics but I do hope that something can be done to help this species.
You're right, we have never gotten along historically.
 
You're right, we have never gotten along historically.

That's no reason to let a unique species completely disappear.. It's extinction via stubbornness.

And even if the pair in Vietnam are male/female and even if they breed successfully and even if most or all of the young grow to sexual maturity, are we to consciously allow the gene-pool to remain so inbred when at least a little distinct blood can be added in?

~Thylo
 
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