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Zoofan15 said:
Thank you BennetL and soona for your information regarding the Hamadryas baboons. It sounds like they had quite a large troop back in the 2000s.

Tomkay is clearly causing issues and was obviously quite a problem for Gina before her death.

Hamadryas baboons have a unique social structure where, unlike other baboons subspecies, they are cross bonded (male to female bonds are stronger than female to female bonds) and have no matrilineal hierarchy (mother’s status is independent of daughter’s status) so Gina probably received little support from her daughter Chappi as they were more like rivals than family.

Hamdryas baboon form one male units (OMU) consisting of an adult male and 3-4 females. It’s quite possible when the group was larger, that Jarmar was the head of a OMU, and Coomba the head of another OMU since there were at least 4 females (probably more). If Gina was in Jarmar’s OMU, Chappi could easily have ended up in Coomba’s which would have further isolated the mother-daughter dyad.
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I think OMU in Hamadryas are usually smaller than that, one male with 1-3 females is perhaps the norm.
 
Pertinax said:
I think OMU in Hamadryas are usually smaller than that, one male with 1-3 females is perhaps the norm.
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Okay, so it's definitely possible that Gina and Chappi ended up in separate OMUs if there were two adult males there when Chappi reached maturity. That would explain their lack of affiliation.
 
Zoofan15 said:
Okay, so it's definitely possible that Gina and Chappi ended up in separate OMUs if there were two adult males there when Chappi reached maturity. That would explain their lack of affiliation.
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Of course I was referring to the natural ratio. In a Zoo it might depend more on the ratio of males to females- lots more females might make the groupings larger, though it tends to be the other way around often with not enough females, unless there is careful management.
 
Pertinax said:
Of course I was referring to the natural ratio. In a Zoo it might depend more on the ratio of males to females- lots more females might make the groupings larger, though it tends to be the other way around often with not enough females, unless there is careful management.
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Wellington Zoo found themselves in this situation around 10 years ago. They had three adult males (each with around 5 females) and when one died, his females split between the two other groups. There were other young males in the group but presumably none were of sufficient maturity to maintain their own harem.
 
Zoofan15 said:
Wellington Zoo found themselves in this situation around 10 years ago. They had three adult males (each with around 5 females) and when one died, his females split between the two other groups. There were other young males in the group but presumably none were of sufficient maturity to maintain their own harem.
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Yes, I think the females automatically gravitate to the adult males with the furry mantles. These are their protectors. But if you see a very big group of Hamadryas in a zoo where the sexes are pretty equal and with plenty of adult males, each usually only has a couple of females plus their infants.
 
They do but it is exciting to think there may be a cub and since she had 2 Artifical insemination's done on her not so long ago it is possible she may be pregnant.

BennettL
 
Zoofan15 said:
Wellington Zoo found themselves in this situation around 10 years ago. They had three adult males (each with around 5 females) and when one died, his females split between the two other groups. There were other young males in the group but presumably none were of sufficient maturity to maintain their own harem.
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Baboons appear to be another species our major zoos have lossed interest in maybe another slow phase out coming for this species from the region?
 
Zorro said:
Baboons appear to be another species our major zoos have lossed interest in maybe another slow phase out coming for this species from the region?
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It is seen that some zoos have keen interest in baboons and other don't.Though i don't think it will be a long time till they phase them out.

BennettL
 
BennettL said:
It is seen that some zoos have keen interest in baboons and other don't.Though i don't think it will be a long time till they phase them out.

BennettL
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Which zoos are you referring to which have a keen interest?
 
Zoos such as Melbourne and Wellighton.Zoos such as Adeilade,Auckland or Perth are losing common interest in these species.

BennettL
 
BennettL said:
Zoos such as Melbourne and Wellighton.Zoos such as Adeilade,Auckland or Perth are losing common interest in these species.

BennettL
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Can you please clarify this post? It doesn't really make sense...
It is also good forum etiquette to check spelling and readability before posting. :)
 
BennettL said:
Zoos such as Melbourne and Wellighton.Zoos such as Adeilade,Auckland or Perth are losing common interest in these species.

BennettL
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Taronga, Auckland and Wellington have all phased out the Chacma baboon, Wellington and Auckland in favour of holding the Hamadryas baboon. I’m guessing this shift was due to many other zoos in the region holding Hamadryas. Wellington have recently announced plans to phase of the Hamadryas and are now looking to export their remaining males (approximately five). Auckland could go either way. Their troop hasn’t produced offspring in five years (both females have two offspring each in the group) so they may let this group of eight phase out by itself.

They’re still breeding at Adelaide and Melbounre have recently made an investment in the baboon’s accommodation with plans to expand the troop, so hopefully this is a sign they plan to continue with this species long term.

I’m disappointed Wellington Zoo are phasing out their troop and hope no other zoos follow suit over the next decade.
 
zooboy28 said:
Can you please clarify this post? It doesn't really make sense...
It is also good forum etiquette to check spelling and readability before posting. :)
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Melbourne zoo is one of the only zoos that is currently favouring this specie (Hamadrays baboon).As Zoofan15 said Wellighton are now in the process of phasing this specie out.Adeilade is the only zoo along with Melbourne that are still breeding a but with only 5 individuals left they likely to be phased out too.Perth is showing interest but has 6? elderly baboons.

BennettL
 
Zoofan15 said:
Taronga, Auckland and Wellington have all phased out the Chacma baboon.
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I don't recall Taronga ever holding Chacma within the last 40 years.

:p

Hix
 
Hix said:
I don't recall Taronga ever holding Chacma within the last 40 years.

:p

Hix
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Zoofan15 said:
1950s according to a post by a gentleman in the NZ forums.

Not sure if Taronga ever went into Hamadryas?
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Taronga's last baboons were sent to Wellighton in the 1960's.So you wouldn't have seen them.

Taronga orriginally phased out baboons so Chacma was their last baboon specie.

BennettL
 
Well back in the 60's it wasn't phasing at all. You either held a species or you didn't. And while the zoo directors communicated with one another, collections weren't co-ordinated like they are these days.

:p

Hix
 
Darling Downs Zoo, although not a major zoo, have a small group of baboons that appear to be breeding well. Their genetics would also be good considering they have imported from Warsaw.
 
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