What continent do you think has the most bird of paradise species in zoos?

Which continent do you think have the most or rarest bird of paradise species in zoos.

  • Europe

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Asia

    Votes: 8 61.5%

  • America

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Australia

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .
drill

drill

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Europe and Asia have many rare bird of paradise species such the trumpet manucode at Berlin zoo, Wilson's bird of paradise at Kiev zoo and at Jurong bird park and the twelve wired bird of paradise at Jurong bird park. Does these species and the others in European and Asian zoos beat bird of paradise collections outside Europe. A big contender for Europe is the Trumpet manucode. Superb bird of paradise is a big contender for America and for Asia would be twelve wired bird of paradise. Also does any other continent have i.e. Australia.
Sorry if 6 days is not enough.
 
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are you including New Guinea under "Australia"?

I'm not sure what you mean by each of the three named species being "big contenders" for those continents. If you are asking which continent has the most species, how does one from each of those equate to being "big contenders"?
 
Chlidonias said:
I'm not sure what you mean by each of the three named species being "big contenders" for those continents. If you are asking which continent has the most species, how does one from each of those equate to being "big contenders"?
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Perhaps it's just a particularly rare species. The first two listed (trumpet manucode and superb BOP) are, as far as I know, restricted to the continents they are listed under. Not sure about twelve-wired, however.
 
jayjds2 said:
Perhaps it's just a particularly rare species. The first two listed (trumpet manucode and superb BOP) are, as far as I know, restricted to the continents they are listed under. Not sure about twelve-wired, however.
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I'll confess that I struggle to properly understand the opening post in the thread.
 
Chlidonias said:
are you including New Guinea under "Australia"?

I'm not sure what you mean by each of the three named species being "big contenders" for those continents. If you are asking which continent has the most species, how does one from each of those equate to being "big contenders"?
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no im not
 
If New Guinea is included in Asia, then Asia is 1st hands down, if not then New Guinea (in this case listed under others I believe) and then Asia (gems like Jurong and Bali Bird park + many small zoos with some rarities including BoPs and then Al Wabra , if we go by the political definition of Asia , I believe).

I think Europe has more species than America (especially thanks to Walsrode) but I'm not sure...

So it would be in my opinion :
1 - New Guinea
2 - Asia (including Middle-East , otherwise I don't know who would ''win'' )
3 - Europe

If I remember correctly there's a thread on here listing practically all the BoP species kept in public captive hands in the world but I don't know if it's updated.
 
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I don't really get the question, honestly. From what I'm reading it could mean two things:
1) What is the continent with the most species (or most diverse species?) of bird-of-paradise?
2) What, per continent, is the rarest species of bird-of-paradise?

Either way, adding the "what do you think" is, in my opinion, redundant. Both of those questions are absolute, not relative from person to person; with a little research we can know what species are kept (on-show, at least) relatively easily in Europe, North America, and Australia (since when is that a continent, and if you mean Oceania, why doesn't it include New Guinea?), and we can make educated guesses about what species Asia has.

As @Zoo Tycooner FR mentioned, the correct answer would still be whatever continent you decide to list New Guinea (both halves) on, as they have more unique species than any other continent (which is logical), and more species than any other continent (which is also logical).
 
I think America only has four species remaining in zoos: Lesser, Raggiana, Red, and Superb. The last of which is only at San Diego.

According to ztl, there are 9 species in Europe:
-Raggiana at 2 collections
-Magnificent at 1 collection
-Greater (2 ssp) at 1 collection
-King at 3 collections
-Lesser at 2 collections
-Red at 1 collection
-Trumpet at 1 collection
-Twelve-Wired at 1 collection
-Wilson's at 1 collection

~Thylo
 
ThylacineAlive said:
I think America only has four species remaining in zoos: Lesser, Raggiana, Red, and Superb. The last of which is only at San Diego.

According to ztl, there are 9 species in Europe:
-Raggiana at 2 collections
-Magnificent at 1 collection
-Greater (2 ssp) at 1 collection
-King at 3 collections
-Lesser at 2 collections
-Red at 1 collection
-Trumpet at 1 collection
-Twelve-Wired at 1 collection
-Wilson's at 1 collection

~Thylo
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Ah thanks for the info, I thought Bronx could've had more (it's been a while since my last visit haha). :)
 
Bronx has kept four species in the last 10 years afaik: Red, Lesser, Raggiana, and Twelve-Wired. Their last Twelve-Wired is now at Walsrode and I believe their Red are now either all at Central Park or split between there and off-show. Central Park had Superb for a time but they no longer do.

Unfortunately I never managed to see the Superb or Twelve-Wired.

~Thylo
 
Vision said:
I don't really get the question, honestly. From what I'm reading it could mean two things:
1) What is the continent with the most species (or most diverse species?) of bird-of-paradise?
2) What, per continent, is the rarest species of bird-of-paradise?

Either way, adding the "what do you think" is, in my opinion, redundant. Both of those questions are absolute, not relative from person to person; with a little research we can know what species are kept (on-show, at least) relatively easily in Europe, North America, and Australia (since when is that a continent, and if you mean Oceania, why doesn't it include New Guinea?), and we can make educated guesses about what species Asia has.

As @Zoo Tycooner FR mentioned, the correct answer would still be whatever continent you decide to list New Guinea (both halves) on, as they have more unique species than any other continent (which is logical), and more species than any other continent (which is also logical).
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I appreciate your attempt to clarify, Vision, but I would guess that drill is after more of a third option (given the cryptic responses and the fact that the thread was set up as a poll) - when considering number and rarity of BOP species in collections, what continent is the best? Framed this way, at least there is some argument that the question is subjective. However, this is all conjecture, and drill's responses so far have not cleared up the understandable confusion we all have regarding this thread/poll. I am, however, (as I suspect most of us who have commented on this thread) interested in the current status of BOPs in world zoos - so maybe some attempt to build an updated list of BOP holdings would be able to answer the objective questions you set forth and should also give us some baseline information with which to consider a subjective poll (if that is indeed what drill meant to create). In any case, I certainly don't think there can be any meaningful response to a poll when there is no clearly understood question for us to answer (hence, I have not voted).
 
jibster said:
I am, however, (as I suspect most of us who have commented on this thread) interested in the current status of BOPs in world zoos - so maybe some attempt to build an updated list of BOP holdings would be able to answer the objective questions you set forth and should also give us some baseline information with which to consider a subjective poll...
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Zoo Tycooner FR said:
If I remember correctly there's a thread on here listing practically all the BoP species kept in public captive hands in the world but I don't know if it's updated.
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if someone wants to work on a current bird of paradise in captivity thread, the old one for reference (started by Sebbe, FYI, and running from 2007 to 2009) is here: Species of Bird of Paradise kept in captivity
 
Readers beware of healthy amounts of lies, damned lies and statistics in the above-linked thread where anything claimed by sebbe67 is concerned :P
 
Wait I was just told that San Diego still has an enclosure for the manucode in that thread. Is it really still alive?

~Thylo
 
ThylacineAlive said:
Wait I was just told that San Diego still has an enclosure for the manucode in that thread. Is it really still alive?
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that post was from 2008. I just had a Google for photos and there is one on Flickr taken in July 2008. That's still nine years ago though, so I wouldn't hold out hope it is still alive.
 
Chlidonias said:
that post was from 2008. I just had a Google for photos and there is one on Flickr taken in July 2008. That's still nine years ago though, so I wouldn't hold out hope it is still alive.
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Indeed, but in the chatroom someone said they thought it was still alive but I suspect they're mistaken or I misread them.

~Thylo
 
In 2015 when I visited San Diego I saw enclosures for superb and Raggiana birds of paradise. I only saw the Raggiana but know the former is definitely there. I believe there are also magnificent bops there but behind the scenes perhaps.
 
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