CGSwans flies north for the winter

1) I realised today that I'd forgotten the devils. They're a bit like meerkats, after all.

2) I'm not using either Interrail or Eurail - just buying tickets for each journey separately. I've investigated all of my options for all hypothetical trips that I may need to undertake. :)

3) I have since seen a much, much smaller elephant shrew.

4) I meant to mention that after Planckendael I stood at Antwerp station. There were trains to take me North to the Netherlands, and all the zoological joys there. Or I could have ducked down to Brussels, and then headed to Cologne to open up the wonders of the Ruhr. But instead I headed back to Paris.
 
I've been following this thread since the start and have just thought of a discrepancy. How are you travelling around the UK? You can't use an Inter Rail card and our trains are a rip off compared to the rest of Europe. Would hiring a car be cheaper? Also, our zoos tend to be awkward to reach by public transport so have you got a plan?

All this is based on the assumption you're coming to the UK, if you're skipping us then ignore this message!

In any case, unless CGSwans has any form of European citizenship we don't know about then that's no help, as non-European citizens can only buy Eurail, not Inter Rail, and that doesn't include the UK as far as I can see.

For the record, there is a ticket similar to Eurail and InterRail for travel within the UK which *is* available to non-European citizens - along with any European citizens who are not UK citizens - and which could be used in this sort of situation; in point of fact, @ThylacineAlive used this ticket when travelling in the UK last summer. As such he'd be able to discuss the matter more :p
 
Many thanks Maguari and TLD, didn't realise there was a card that covered us and the continent for foreigners. Feeling a bit of a tw*t now... :oops:

@CGSwans I hope you leave us until last because we're a bloody expensive country to visit. Particularly anywhere around London!;)
 
I believe the a rail pass that was valid for 15 days over the course of a month (so I could use it on 15 days throughout a month), though it can be customized to fit your needs. It also includes unlimited train rides per day.

~Thylo
 
I hope you leave us until last because we're a bloody expensive country to visit. Particularly anywhere around London!;)

Not in my experience, London's comparable to most Western European capital cities. And cheaper than many. Try Dublin. Or anywhere in Scandinavia. I do sympathise doing this trip on a shoestring though, by the nature of the places you're visiting.
 
Zoo #15: Basel Zoo, 17/04/2017

My 90 days of Schengen visa eligibility are, unfortunately, far too precious to be spending on the endless number of German and Dutch zoos. So rather than give in to temptation I turned back to Paris, en route to Switzerland.

This leg of the journey was supposed to be much easier than it proved to be. Until December last year an overnight train ran from Amsterdam to Basel, when it was discontinued. By that time I had already booked one of the most expensive tickets of the entire trip, effectively locking me into the planned schedule. So instead I planned to return to Paris and get the TGV Lyria the next morning... except that it was Easter Monday and the service I needed was not operating. And so I got stuck with a voyage in three parts, with TGVs from Paris to Dijon and Dijon to Mulhouse, followed by a regional train on to Basel, where I would visit the zoo before heading on to my accommodation in Zurich.

To call this a tiring and irritating schedule is an understatement, and that's before you add a bottle of shampoo leaking through-out my bag along the way. The best I could manage was to quarantine my electronics away from the gloopy mess, leave it in the luggage lockers at Basel station (being very careful to position it the right way up) and worry about it after I was done at the zoo.

I will confess, from the start, to having done Basel a disservice by not writing up my impressions before going to Zurich. For all that Basel is a good zoo, it was destined to suffer from the comparison.

This sense is only reinforced by the fact that I'm sitting down to write this barely 48 hours after arriving at the zoo, but I'm already struggling to summon enough impressions for a post. When I say 'Basel is a good zoo' that's exactly what I mean. It has a lot going for it, but I'm unconvinced I will be ranking it in the very top tier by the end of this voyage. I don't think it qualifies as 'great'.

The indoor spaces are all of a high standard, especially the Etosha House. This building - a large capital investment in which the biggest drawcard species are meerkats - is a brave move that I doubt you would see in Australia or North America. I'm not much of an insect person, as I keep saying, but I did love the locust exhibit here. The aquarium also ends Antwerp's reign as best 'zoo aquarium' after just three days, although I thought the king penguin exhibit was rubbish, and the reptile exhibits are top class. The birdhouse is relatively small but very pleasant, and I spent quite a bit of time in here hunting passerines. I can't help it. I'm a competitive soul.

The rest of the zoo is decent but unremarkable. For a while I was marking the monkey house down, as I had in Antwerp, for apparently not providing any outdoor access for the monkeys. However, I later noticed that there are cages on the roof of the building, which I think correlate with the enclosures below. It made me wonder why they aren't accessible for visitors.

I don't really have much to say about any of the outdoor exhibits, which are all relatively standard affairs. The exception is the sun bear exhibit, which is a tiny, tiny relic that warrants replacing either the enclosure or the bear/s. I didn't see any so maybe they are no longer there, though I assume I was just unlucky.

It's a strange thing to say about a relatively small zoo, land-wise, but it feels almost under-utilised, with a couple of spaces that could be turned into significant new exhibits. Apart from the Etosha House, I'd be interested to hear if anybody considers anything here to be of truly international significance.

There's one thing here that really stood out to me as an Australian zoo nerd. The difference between Australian and European zoos' collection management, and the scale of what European zoos can do compared to their Australian counterparts, has never been as evident to me as it was in Basel. There were baby animals everywhere. Giraffes, hippos, Indian rhinos, gorillas, chimps, boar, mouflon and apparently okapi (unseen) have all had relatively recent births. It's a breeding (and marketing) bonanza that Australian zoos can only dream of, with so few spaces available that an animal might, if it's lucky, get to breed twice in its lifetime. 'Twas great to see.

I left Basel not quite disaffected, but wondering if I'd made a mistake by scheduling quite so many stops along the trip that are purely for the sake of visiting their zoos. I thought that if even a collection as well-regarded as Basel was leaving me feeling indifferent, perhaps I should reduce the scale of my plans to avoid zoo fatigue.

Then I went to Zurich.
 
Thanks once again for all of your excellent reviews. I really look forward to reading them whenever a new posting shows up on this thread. A few comments:

- You loved Antwerp and that urban zoological park is rated highly by many ZooChatters but I find it interesting that it has fallen to 3rd place in Belgium in terms of annual attendance. In recent years Antwerp has been pulling in around 900,000 visitors while Planckendael has come close to 1 million visitors. Then there is the "new kid on the block" in the shape of Paira Daiza and that zoo will likely see 2 million visitors this year...more than Antwerp and Planckendael combined! Do you have tentative plans to circle back and visit Paira Daiza near the end of your European journey?

- Do you have a species list for the Ethosha House at Basel Zoo?

- Lastly, amongst my hundreds of different zoo visits there are exactly two situated in Europe. I visited the relatively obscure Langenberg Wildlife Park (near Zurich) and then Zurich Zoo itself. I was there in October 2003 and I still have fond memories of Masoala Rainforest, the brilliant Andean bear/coati habitat, the "Asian Highlands" zone, etc. Of course since then the zoo has become even greater and I have no doubt that it will be one of the highlights from your Euro odyssey.
 
Thanks once again for all of your excellent reviews. I really look forward to reading them whenever a new posting shows up on this thread. A few comments:

- You loved Antwerp and that urban zoological park is rated highly by many ZooChatters but I find it interesting that it has fallen to 3rd place in Belgium in terms of annual attendance. In recent years Antwerp has been pulling in around 900,000 visitors while Planckendael has come close to 1 million visitors. Then there is the "new kid on the block" in the shape of Paira Daiza and that zoo will likely see 2 million visitors this year...more than Antwerp and Planckendael combined! Do you have tentative plans to circle back and visit Paira Daiza near the end of your European journey?

Nope, Pairi Daiza is a miss. Maybe next time I come to Europe.

snowleopard said:
- Do you have a species list for the Ethosha House at Basel Zoo?

Sorry, no.

snowleopard said:
- Lastly, amongst my hundreds of different zoo visits there are exactly two situated in Europe. I visited the relatively obscure Langenberg Wildlife Park (near Zurich) and then Zurich Zoo itself. I was there in October 2003 and I still have fond memories of Masoala Rainforest, the brilliant Andean bear/coati habitat, the "Asian Highlands" zone, etc. Of course since then the zoo has become even greater and I have no doubt that it will be one of the highlights from your Euro odyssey.

I misremembered. I thought it was Basel you had been to.
 
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If you have time could you say a little more about the Etosha building? That was an intriguing comment.
Also, what were your impressions of the new elephant exhibit? The photos are 'striking'.
 
I am sorry I did not make it to meet you in Basel, how is Switzerland for you?

The aquarium also ends Antwerp's reign as best 'zoo aquarium' after just three days, although I thought the king penguin exhibit was rubbish, and the reptile exhibits are top class.

The next building project will be a new king penguin enclosure somewhere on the zoo grounds, but that seems yet undecided. The gentoo penguins will move to the Ozeanium building to be build in the coming 10 years.

which I think correlate with the enclosures below. It made me wonder why they aren't accessible for visitors.

They are, there is a path from the bird house to the Orang utan outdoor enclosures, which goes past these enclosures, although some are still far away and except for the spider monkeys, most prefer the indoor.

The exception is the sun bear exhibit, which is a tiny, tiny relic that warrants replacing either the enclosure or the bear/s.

There is only one sun bear left, an elderly female, for which a move would be far too stressful, when she dies, no bears will be kept in that enclosure anymore...

I'd be interested to hear if anybody considers anything here to be of truly international significance.

I really like the Gamgoas house as well (with the nile crocodiles), apart from that it is a very typical European zoo with not many outstanding things, but apart from the wolves and bears no really weak parts either...

Giraffes, hippos, Indian rhinos, gorillas, chimps, boar, mouflon and apparently okapi (unseen) have all had relatively recent births.

So you missed the pygmy hippo and orangutan young ;)

- Do you have a species list for the Ethosha House at Basel Zoo?

Let's give it a try, ordered from entering the house on the elephant side.

Cheetah (in an outdoor enclosure adjacent to the house)

Migratory locust

Ansell's mole rat

Barbary striped mouse

Round eared elephant shrew
pancake tortoise

Then the star exhibit:
Sociable weaver
Cape ground squirrel
Rock hyrax
Red-billed hornbill
Black-cheeked lovebird

Desert horned viper
Spider

Slender-tailed meerkat
(they share their outdoor enclosure with porcupine)

Flower beetles

Carmine bee-eaters
Honeybee
 
If you have time could you say a little more about the Etosha building? That was an intriguing comment.
Also, what were your impressions of the new elephant exhibit? The photos are 'striking'.

I'm not sure what you found intriguing, specifically. It's a well -executed, attractive building that tellls a good story, but that most likely wouldn't get built in countries where a big capital development had better have a big name species at its centre.

I thought the elephant building was attractive, but it's one of the ones that got superseded in my mind within 24 hours.
 
I am sorry I did not make it to meet you in Basel, how is Switzerland for you?

The next building project will be a new king penguin enclosure somewhere on the zoo grounds, but that seems yet undecided. The gentoo penguins will move to the Ozeanium building to be build in the coming 10 years.

They are, there is a path from the bird house to the Orang utan outdoor enclosures, which goes past these enclosures, although some are still far away and except for the spider monkeys, most prefer the indoor.

There is only one sun bear left, an elderly female, for which a move would be far too stressful, when she dies, no bears will be kept in that enclosure anymore...

I really like the Gamgoas house as well (with the nile crocodiles), apart from that it is a very typical European zoo with not many outstanding things, but apart from the wolves and bears no really weak parts either...

So you missed the pygmy hippo and orangutan young ;)

I knew I'd forgotten a couple. Just so many.

Thanks for the good news about both the king penguins and sun bear. And perhaps next time. :)
 
I'm not sure what you found intriguing, specifically. It's a well -executed, attractive building that tellls a good story, but that most likely wouldn't get built in countries where a big capital development had better have a big name species at its centre.

Cool, I just didn't know anything about it. The species list gives a good feel for it I think.
 
@lintworm Thanks very much for the Ethosha House species list.

@CGSwans I'm stunned that you missed out on Pairi Daiza, as that zoo is likely to be perhaps the 5th most popular (after Berlin, Vienna, Stuttgart and Leipzig) in all of Europe this year. It may well be the 3rd most popular if the Giant Panda craze blossoms into a phenomenon. Oh well...I guess that you can't see all of them. :)
 
Having read the reviews I don't think CGSwans would like Pairi Daiza, there's an awful lot of temples!
 
@lintworm Thanks very much for the Ethosha House species list.

@CGSwans I'm stunned that you missed out on Pairi Daiza, as that zoo is likely to be perhaps the 5th most popular (after Berlin, Vienna, Stuttgart and Leipzig) in all of Europe this year. It may well be the 3rd most popular if the Giant Panda craze blossoms into a phenomenon. Oh well...I guess that you can't see all of them. :)

Having read the reviews I don't think CGSwans would like Pairi Daiza, there's an awful lot of temples!

I think Ned's supposition is correct. It got bumped because I already had too dense a schedule for this part of the trip, it was a long way from Antwerp and I wanted a non-zoo day there. Also, the popularity of a zoo doesn't necessarily reflect how worthwhile it is to visit, at least to me.
 
Zoo #16: Zoo Zurich, 18/4/2017

There are not enough superlatives in a thesaurus to apply to this zoo.

I'd like some Zoochat dedication points, please, because it was forecast to snow - more than halfway through spring! - on the one and only day I had in Zurich. Snow and I became acquainted in Madrid, and after that experience I had made a deal that it wouldn't snow on me, and I wouldn't massively expand my carbon footprint in an attempt to escape it for the rest of my life. The weather wasn't holding to its end of the bargain. But here I was, in a city that costs a kidney for every day you want to eat and sleep there, and I was hardly going to let the risk of death by exposure prevent me from visiting.

I arrived at about midday, after waiting for the day to at least reach refrigerator rather than freezer temperature, and headed straight for Masaola. It was only when I entered the zoo and saw the building off in the distance that I really appreciated just how massive this thing is. Nor was I prepared for just how hot it would be inside, though the hand dryers in the entrance foyer, labelled for drying eye glasses, should have been a hint.

Masaola is a conceptual and technical masterpiece. I'm not sure there's any exhibit anywhere else in the world that replicates a living, breathing ecosystem in quite as comprehensive a way. There must be animals - perhaps the geckos - living, breeding and dying in here without any meaningful intervention from the keepers.

It is a work of art - and of science - but the heat and humidity were overwhelming and even more so because of the contrast with the outside. I didn't stay long. Though I managed to spot fodies and many of the larger birds, and even got lucky and found a ruffed lemur, I quickly recognised that I could spend all day in there - or at least until I passed out from dehydration - and not find any of the other passerines, the mouse lemurs or the reptiles. Think of Masaola as an exhibit of a Madagascan rainforest and it's a triumph: think of it as a mixed lemur walkthrough and flight aviary and it's maybe too good for its own good. But I prefer to think of it as the former.

From there I visited a series of exhibits that could each lay claim to being the best of their kind I had ever seen. The elephant exhibit - the same size inside as Melbourne or Taronga are outside. The geladas; as good a replication of their Ethiopian habitat as I can reasonably ask for. The Central Asian domestics section, revolving around Bactrian camels and yaks, is ethnographic theming done properly: placing the animals on display into the context of a foreign culture and teaching about both, rather than simply appropriating that culture for decorative purposes. I'm not sure there are any bears in any urban zoo anywhere that are better enabled to live a bears' life than Zurich's spectacled bears.

At this point I planned to issue a challenge to all on here to tell me where Zurich's weakness was, because I couldn't find it, but then I did. The ape house isn't terrible, it just isn't very good, and the outdoor spaces (empty, as the apes were smarter than I was and were staying warm) are too cramped, especially for groups the size of those in Zurich. It's not a complex worthy of the rest of the zoo.

That disappointment aside. I resumed my tour de force outside, as the weather began to turn against me and I began to consider buying shares in an oil company, as a warning shot to the snow. The carnivore exhibits at the top of the zoo - the famous one for snow leopards, as well as for wolves, Siberian tigers and Asiatic lions - are all top class, and a highlight of the visit was watching a red panda browsing directly above my head, in branches that over-hang the wall of the exhibit.

I had left the tropical house/reptile house/aquarium to last, which was a good thing because by this point my peace treaty with the weather had completely broken down, and the snow was launching a sustained offensive. Another substandard Antarctic penguin exhibit aside (how many places really does these well?), this building is another unbridled success. Some of the terraria in here are living works of art, and the aquarium is much smaller than Basel's but what it does, it does better, including a spectacular reef tank full of stony corals.

As I've said earlier in this thread, I care more about whether an exhibit allows the animals it houses to fully pursue their instincts, and less about how 'natural' that exhibit looks. But Zurich seems to understand something that more mock rock- addicted zoos don't; there's nothing more natural, or more conducive to natural behaviours, than actual natural features: grass, trees, bushes, dirt and rocks. Many of the exhibits here manage to be beautiful and complex all at the one time. More focus from designers on convincing the animals that their enclosures are something like the real thing, rather than visitors, will probably achieve the latter aim better anyway.

Before I finish this panegyric I'll note that my dorm-mate, a loud and proud Scot by the name of Gemma, visited the zoo the same day and professed to hate it. She adores Blair Drummond Safari Park, which she goes to frequently, and said that by contrast she thought the animals at Zurich looked cramped, bored and even under-fed. I confess I was incredulous, and I think that what underlay her opinion was the often faulty assumption that space = quality. But I wanted to throw this in here as a reminder that what we enthusiasts find to be wonderful in a zoo probably doesn't well reflect the preferences of Gemma Public.

The Australian complex is due to open next year, and I'd be curious to know what other species besides koalas will feature. And they've already started laying the groundwork for the opening of the savannah in 2020, which will (almost) complete the zoo's collection of ABC big mammals with the additions of giraffes and rhinos. I will back them in to do both developments as close to perfection as one can get. But I would like Zurich to prioritise replacing the antiquated apes exhibits, so that it can defend into the future the title I'm about to award it at least provisionally until October: the best zoo I've ever visited.
 
@CGSwans I agree that a zoo's popularity does not make it great (Milwaukee County and San Antonio would be American examples) but Pairi Daiza is supposedly one of the great modern European zoos...top 10 in the minds of some and certainly top 20 in the minds of many. But enough about Belgium...

I loved reading your Zurich Zoo review and with the Australian zone (2018), the African Savanna (2020) and Lowland Gorilla exhibit (2024) the future is bright for one of Europe's very best zoos. Zurich lacks many children's amenities, such as a train ride (or really any kind of ride), a carousel, stingray touch tank, giraffe feeding, etc., and I have a couple of Swiss friends (now in Canada) who bemoan the lack of "family-friendly" attractions there. However, there are a number of zoo enthusiasts that claim Zurich is a "proper zoo" and spectacular in many ways but I suppose that nothing is perfect as locating animals in Masoala can be a frustrating experience and I recall the Great Ape House being dreadful from my 2003 visit. Hopefully once the gorillas get a shiny new home then perhaps something can be done with the orangutans and gibbons.

On a side note, you mentioned the elephant exhibits at Melbourne and Taronga and I saw both of them in 2007 and I totally agree with you in regards to the size of those habitats. There are not many major zoos around the globe that have such tiny elephant yards.
 
Before I finish this panegyric I'll note that my dorm-mate, a loud and proud Scot by the name of Gemma, visited the zoo the same day and professed to hate it. She adores Blair Drummond Safari Park, which she goes to frequently, and said that by contrast she thought the animals at Zurich looked cramped, bored and even under-fed.

While I certainly wouldn't go so far as the marvellous Gemma, for what it's worth I am one of those who finds Zurich a little underwhelming - if I could bunk off work tomorrow and head to a Swiss zoo, I'd choose Basle, et with its European charm, and park-like setting, over its bigger neighbour. Yes, Masaola is wonderful, and so is the Exotarium. Elephants? Great house, but the outdoor area seemed limited, to me. But the zoo as a whole seems to lack the character of the very best, the quirkiness. It's all very good, but I can't love it. Not least because the last time I visited, it was boiling hot, and I needed to consult my financial adviser before purchasing a bottle of water.
 
Not least because the last time I visited, it was boiling hot, and I needed to consult my financial adviser before purchasing a bottle of water.

Just want to say that this is probably my favourite put down of a zoo ever. And also one that's accurate at many such places across the globe! :D
 
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