browsing through the pages of the above link, Carnivoran Evolution for £7.99 looks like it might interest the TLDs. Lever's Naturalised Birds of the World is just £19.99. Raffles' Ark Redrawn is £9.99. And The Red Colobus Monkeys is £5.99.
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Its a really good book (and the NHBS price is very good!), I've used a copy and had a good look through it, although I haven't bought it yet (I will). It probably is too heavy for a field guide, but if it was the only bird book you had while travelling in Australia and the only book you would carry when walking then it would be fine. One thing that may take me a little while to get used to is the species order, which is not taxonomic. Instead, the book has marine, coastal/wetland and terrestrial sections (roughly) which is supposed to be because the taxonomy of birds is changing a lot at the moment (at higher levels) and to make it easier to find birds in the book depending on where you are in the field. I think species are still grouped within orders, but I'll have to check that.
Ah, you know me well
I just snapped that one up!Which reminds me, at some point I shall have to update my list on this thread:
my zoo book list
Having recently got a job for the first time in quite a while, I have been able to afford splashing out on a few odds and ends which I have coveted for some time
It's the same size as Pizzey and Knight's field guide to the birds of Australia, but is about 30 pages shorter. Pizzey & Knight weighs a little over 1.2kg.
Hix
there's a brief review by Phil Gregory on Birdforum saying the book is "a heavy beast", heavier than Pizzey and Knight, and the body-length measurement typical of field guides has been replaced with wing-length, which doesn't seem helpful. He also comments on the maps being "very small", making looking at the distributions difficult.
zooboy28
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I'm not exactly sure on dimensions, but according to one website:
Dimensions (cm): 24.5 x 17.0
Weight (kg): 1.4
The Australian Bird Guide
Wing-length replaces body-length, but only in that it is reported for each species, whereas the height/width of the birds can be determined from the pictures, which are to scale and accompanied by a scale bar. Not as easy, but I guess this was done to allow the two measurements to be included, with wing-length likely to be useful especially for birds in flight.
Maps in the book appear to be about 2.7 cm wide, based on measurements of online images of the book (from Google image search, and ABG. The Australian Bird Guide by Peter Menkhorst, Danny Rogers, Rohan Clarke on Andrew Isles Natural History Books) and assuming dimensions above are correct. There are some maps that are accompanied by insets to show distribution more clearly. Both the Pizzey & Knight and Morecombe guides have maps that are 2.7 cm wide, based on direct measurements, so no real difference to existing standards (I don't know size of Slater's maps).
Hey everyone! So I've got a few hundred dollars saved up, and I'm looking to buy a few different books.
At the moment, I'm looking to buy at least two books, one on primates and the other on hoofed mammals, and posssssibly one on carnivores or marine mammals if I've got enough left over. I'm definitely eyeing a volume of the Handbook of the Mammals of the World, but they're just soooo expensive. I know the more I spend on one book, the fewer books I'll be able to buy, but I want to make sure I can get a nice blend of quality and quantity here.
Recently I've become particularly more fascinated with primates, and I would like a book that has both breadth and depth, has lots of text but many illustrations and figures that complement the text, and isn't too pricey. I've bookmarked a couple online but don't know which would be my best bet, especially considering the reviews for some either contradict one another, are very sparse, or absent entirely.
Is there a book out there that covers all species (I know the number of officially recognized species is still being debated and is always changing, but I'm sure you know what I mean) and has accounts for each that are relatively detailed but not too technical?
I ask because I recently bought The Living Elephants by Raman Sukumar, which I heard was the authoritative piece of literature on elephants. I can't really say anything bad about it, because the information it provides on proboscidean evolution, elephants' social life and conservation of elephants is astounding! But since I am still essentially a biology novice, there is quite a bit of information - such as that on genetics, mathematical functions/statistics, and the chemistry behind certain bodily functions, etc. - that I cannot yet appreciate, let alone understand.
So I am looking for something that is a bit more than just a field guide - something that provides me with more than just help identifying species, and a good amount of new and exciting information - but something that I don't have to be a complete expert to understand. As an aspiring biologist, I of course would someday like to understand the more complex topics I currently shy away from reading about, but obviously I'm not going to spend all of my money on books I can barely read right now, you know?
As far as the hoofed animal book goes, hoofed animals are my favorites, and Volume 2 of the Handbook of the Mammals of the World is definitely at the top of my list. But I know a number of you have purchased HBW or HMW volumes in the past, so I'd love to know what you guys think of the books and whether they match the description of what I'm looking for. If so, I've got no problem spending the $180 or so needed to buy one. I just want to know if that's my best option. The same goes for the carnivore and marine mammal books, too.
The bottom line is that I would like to get the most informative books out there without venturing into expert territory, if that makes any sense.
I'm also thinking of buying a single, more specialized book and just getting several more general ones, but I'm obviously still undecided.
Any help with this dilemma would be greatly appreciated, haha.
At the moment, I'm looking to buy at least two books, one on primates and the other on hoofed mammals, and posssssibly one on carnivores or marine mammals if I've got enough left over. I'm definitely eyeing a volume of the Handbook of the Mammals of the World, but they're just soooo expensive. I know the more I spend on one book, the fewer books I'll be able to buy, but I want to make sure I can get a nice blend of quality and quantity here.
Recently I've become particularly more fascinated with primates, and I would like a book that has both breadth and depth, has lots of text but many illustrations and figures that complement the text, and isn't too pricey. I've bookmarked a couple online but don't know which would be my best bet, especially considering the reviews for some either contradict one another, are very sparse, or absent entirely.
Is there a book out there that covers all species (I know the number of officially recognized species is still being debated and is always changing, but I'm sure you know what I mean) and has accounts for each that are relatively detailed but not too technical?I ask because I recently bought The Living Elephants by Raman Sukumar, which I heard was the authoritative piece of literature on elephants. I can't really say anything bad about it, because the information it provides on proboscidean evolution, elephants' social life and conservation of elephants is astounding! But since I am still essentially a biology novice, there is quite a bit of information - such as that on genetics, mathematical functions/statistics, and the chemistry behind certain bodily functions, etc. - that I cannot yet appreciate, let alone understand.
So I am looking for something that is a bit more than just a field guide - something that provides me with more than just help identifying species, and a good amount of new and exciting information - but something that I don't have to be a complete expert to understand. As an aspiring biologist, I of course would someday like to understand the more complex topics I currently shy away from reading about, but obviously I'm not going to spend all of my money on books I can barely read right now, you know?
As far as the hoofed animal book goes, hoofed animals are my favorites, and Volume 2 of the Handbook of the Mammals of the World is definitely at the top of my list. But I know a number of you have purchased HBW or HMW volumes in the past, so I'd love to know what you guys think of the books and whether they match the description of what I'm looking for. If so, I've got no problem spending the $180 or so needed to buy one. I just want to know if that's my best option. The same goes for the carnivore and marine mammal books, too.
The bottom line is that I would like to get the most informative books out there without venturing into expert territory, if that makes any sense.
I'm also thinking of buying a single, more specialized book and just getting several more general ones, but I'm obviously still undecided.
Any help with this dilemma would be greatly appreciated, haha.
One more thing - sorry!
Some of the books I'm considering buying are definitely "old," especially if you're one who agrees "a book is outdated before it's even finished printing." That being said, I'm not really a fan of these Internet databases. They're phenomenal, don't get me wrong - I even bought membership to the Handbook of the Birds of the World: Alive database earlier this month. I love how easily accessible things are, like pictures, videos, and all of the external links to the cited sources. If there was an online database for the HMW, I'd probably sign up for it too.
But personally, nothing beats physically flipping through pages and carrying around massive books, literally feeling the weight of all the information readily available at your fingertips
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Some of the books I'm considering buying are definitely "old," especially if you're one who agrees "a book is outdated before it's even finished printing." That being said, I'm not really a fan of these Internet databases. They're phenomenal, don't get me wrong - I even bought membership to the Handbook of the Birds of the World: Alive database earlier this month. I love how easily accessible things are, like pictures, videos, and all of the external links to the cited sources. If there was an online database for the HMW, I'd probably sign up for it too.
But personally, nothing beats physically flipping through pages and carrying around massive books, literally feeling the weight of all the information readily available at your fingertips
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I reckon that in terms of carnivores, your best bet would easily be the first volume of HMW; however, if you want the best book available at a more affordable price I strongly recommend you pick this book up:
Carnivores of the World (Princeton Field Guides): Luke Hunter, Priscilla Barrett: 8601300373737: Amazon.com: Books
In terms of hoofstock, again the best book available is the relevant volume of HMW. However, if you want a more affordable book - albeit one which covers only bovids - I reckon the best and most up-to-date is this one:
Bovids of the World: Antelopes, Gazelles, Cattle, Goats, Sheep, and Relatives (Princeton Field Guides): José R. Castelló, Brent Huffman, Colin Groves: 9780691167176: Amazon.com: Books
Carnivores of the World (Princeton Field Guides): Luke Hunter, Priscilla Barrett: 8601300373737: Amazon.com: Books
In terms of hoofstock, again the best book available is the relevant volume of HMW. However, if you want a more affordable book - albeit one which covers only bovids - I reckon the best and most up-to-date is this one:
Bovids of the World: Antelopes, Gazelles, Cattle, Goats, Sheep, and Relatives (Princeton Field Guides): José R. Castelló, Brent Huffman, Colin Groves: 9780691167176: Amazon.com: Books
Can anyone recommend a good, cheap, waterfowl book? I don't want to quite have an identification guide, I like to read about the quirks about each species as well. However, I'd like it to be fairly comprehensive as well, and while I know it's a big demand I would prefer it to be under $50.
It is not entirely comprehensive, covering as it does only Eurasian and North American species, but this is probably the best book available in your price range; although it describes itself as an identification guide it is rather more in-depth than this description would imply, with a large amount of detail about taxonomy, behaviour and morphology...... along with remarks on how common each species is in captivity and how easy they are to breed, and as such how likely any given sighting is to pertain to a genuinely wild individual rather than an escape from captivity:
Waterfowl of North America, Europe, and Asia: An Identification Guide: Sébastien Reeber: 9780691162669: Amazon.com: Books
The UK edition is identical but has a more attractive cover
Wildfowl of Europe, Asia and North America (Helm Identification Guides): Amazon.co.uk: Sébastien Reeber: 9781472912343: Books
Thanks! That's exactly the kind of thing I was looking for, though I wanted a bit more focus on non-native species I can't afford to complain too much. Thanks again!It is not entirely comprehensive, covering as it does only Eurasian and North American species, but this is probably the best book available in your price range; although it describes itself as an identification guide it is rather more in-depth than this description would imply, with a large amount of detail about taxonomy, behaviour and morphology...... along with remarks on how common each species is in captivity and how easy they are to breed, and as such how likely any given sighting is to pertain to a genuinely wild individual rather than an escape from captivity:
Waterfowl of North America, Europe, and Asia: An Identification Guide: Sébastien Reeber: 9780691162669: Amazon.com: Books
The UK edition is identical but has a more attractive cover
Wildfowl of Europe, Asia and North America (Helm Identification Guides): Amazon.co.uk: Sébastien Reeber: 9781472912343: Books
@AnaheimZoo - if you can afford it, get HMW. They have excellent photos and plenty of behavioural information on the families and different species, which should keep you happy.
But there's another reason to buy now if you can. Those of us buying HBW in a slow fashion now have to content ourselves with having an incomplete collection as Volume 11 is now out of print and unavailable (who knew Flycatchers and Warblers were so popular?). So I'm getting each HMW volume as they're printed to ensure that doesn't happen again.
Hix
But there's another reason to buy now if you can. Those of us buying HBW in a slow fashion now have to content ourselves with having an incomplete collection as Volume 11 is now out of print and unavailable (who knew Flycatchers and Warblers were so popular?). So I'm getting each HMW volume as they're printed to ensure that doesn't happen again.
Hix
This guide is interesting, but the taxonomy used is quite worthless, but as it is the most complete thing available, you might want to settle for it if on a budget. The HMW book is very good, except the taxonomy used in the bovid chapter (again...), though you can nitpick in the whole HMW series about bad editing....
Much more in depth would be Kingdon's Mammals of Africa, Part 6, which has the most in-depth information on all African ungulates and though it lacks pictures, the information is as complete as possible.
In addition to the book recommended by TLD, it might be worth looking on-line for secondhand copies of the following book:-
- A Coloured Key to the Wildfowl of the World (Peter Scott; Wildfowl Trust).
There were several copies of this book for sale very cheaply last time I looked. It is basically an identification guide but it has the advantage of covering the whole world.
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this is a really nice photo book that I have, although probably not exactly what @jayjads2 is after (it is only ducks for one thing): Ducks of the World: Janet Kear: 9781561445257: Amazon.com: Books
I haven't seen this one, but I bet it is superb: Wildfowl of the World (Photographic Handbooks): Amazon.co.uk: M. A. Ogilvie, Steve Young: 9781843303282: Books
This one is more of an identification guide: Wildfowl: An Identification Guide to the Ducks, Geese and Swans of the World (Helm Identification Guides): Amazon.co.uk: Steve Madge, Hilary Burn: 9780713636475: Books
I haven't seen this one, but I bet it is superb: Wildfowl of the World (Photographic Handbooks): Amazon.co.uk: M. A. Ogilvie, Steve Young: 9781843303282: Books
This one is more of an identification guide: Wildfowl: An Identification Guide to the Ducks, Geese and Swans of the World (Helm Identification Guides): Amazon.co.uk: Steve Madge, Hilary Burn: 9780713636475: Books
Thanks @TeaLovingDave and @Hix! So it seems that all the signs are pointing to me buying at least one volume of HMW. Any recommendations which? So @Hix, I assume you currently own Volumes I-IV of HMW? Which do you like best?
When it comes to ungulates, I'm not too worried about the taxonomy or how they're organized at the moment - I'm simply wanting to learn more about behavior, ecology, etc. - but I'll admit that the fact that HMW has something like 12 species of klipspringer recorded but fails to recognize more than one species of giraffe is a bit of an annoyance.
That being said, I'm thinking I may go with the Princeton field guide for carnivores, and the Handbook for hoofed animals. I would have been fine with the Princeton guide to bovids, as I really like the look of it and the layout (I thought all of the skull illustrations were wonderful, too), but I would love to have the perissodactyls, cervids, etc. on hand as well.
Any recommendations for primates? I was looking at:
- Pictoral Guide to the Living Primates (https://www.amazon.com/Pictorial-Gu...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=1BWY3JS99V6EFEWDG39R), something a little more simplistic
or
- All the World's Primates (All The Worlds Primates – Purchase All the Worlds Primates), something much more up-to-date. But I reckon if I'm paying that much for it, I might as well go with the HMW's Volume on Primates since it's the crème de la crème.
When it comes to ungulates, I'm not too worried about the taxonomy or how they're organized at the moment - I'm simply wanting to learn more about behavior, ecology, etc. - but I'll admit that the fact that HMW has something like 12 species of klipspringer recorded but fails to recognize more than one species of giraffe is a bit of an annoyance.
That being said, I'm thinking I may go with the Princeton field guide for carnivores, and the Handbook for hoofed animals. I would have been fine with the Princeton guide to bovids, as I really like the look of it and the layout (I thought all of the skull illustrations were wonderful, too), but I would love to have the perissodactyls, cervids, etc. on hand as well.
Any recommendations for primates? I was looking at:
- Pictoral Guide to the Living Primates (https://www.amazon.com/Pictorial-Gu...coding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=1BWY3JS99V6EFEWDG39R), something a little more simplistic
or
- All the World's Primates (All The Worlds Primates – Purchase All the Worlds Primates), something much more up-to-date. But I reckon if I'm paying that much for it, I might as well go with the HMW's Volume on Primates since it's the crème de la crème.
Actually, I own Volumes I-VI of HMW. And as I like Carnivores and Primates, and Vol. V is Monotremes and Marsupials (and I'm from Australia), I guess those are the three I like best.
Hix
Try Delacour's 'Waterfowl of the World', only available second hand, last updated 1978, but everything is in its four volumes. Might cost more than your fifty dollars, but you won't regret the purchase.