San Diego Zoo Does The Zoo "Rock" Again?

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Back in 2009, the San Diego Zoo send shockwaves throughout zoochat, when the zoo opened the what's arguably the parks most controversial exhibit area of all time, Elephant Odyssey. Ever since then, zoochatters have been at odds with the zoo, not only on the exhibit, but questing if the zoo is truly what its hyped up to be. Is that "world famous" status true? Or is it just another big American zoo (Sounds like a Dr. Seuss book)? A few years after EO, the zoo opened its next big attraction, Panda Trek. The zoo is put on the map for its reputation with breeding Giant Pandas, and so this area attracts thousands of visitors everyday, but many zoochatters express disappointment with the clunky sightlines and lack of innovation of the area. Think I'm joking? Read comments of the photo below to see what I'm talking about.

Panda Trek | ZooChat

Its not just the zoo that zoochatters have thought gone down hill, but also the Safari Park. The name change, while minor to some, was received poorly on zoochat. Of course, that could be blown off, but there was one thing that couldn't. That's when the park closed its main attraction, The Monorail. Its no secret that monorails have a high upkeep coast, but the thought the park without was a crazy one some decades ago, but today, its no where to be seen. The ride was replaced with "Journey to Africa." A 30 min, additional fee,tram tour through the African field exhibits. While impressive on first glance, it was quickly seen that this is no where near as good as the monorail. The monorail was free with park admission, was 50 min, and covered every single field exhibit, including the Asian Savannah, which can now only be seen through a caravan safari (Though there are plans in the future for full time public access).

However, in 2015, the zoo announced Africa Rocks, an 8 acre addition that would replace some of the worst outdated exhibits in the whole zoo. We all held are breath, well not literally because it took like 2 years before they opened some of it. This had the potential to be a real turn around for the zoo. But plans were slowly scaled back, and the exhibit was delayed several months. Several animal habitats were cut, such as zebra and hyena exhibits, and a nocturnal house. We all thought that this would be another flop. Luckily, of the exhibits that have opened so far, the reaction has been overwhelmingly positive from zoochatters and the genral public alike. The African Penguin and shark habitat has spectacular under water viewing, and a plentiful about of space for both species. And the new Dwarf Crocodile habitat is lush and one of the best of its kind in North America. And with the new Madagascar habitat opening in a few days, its only going to get better.

It not just Africa Rocks though since then, the park has also opened a expansion of the Australian area, a new reptile walk and an Asian Leopards habitat. The Safari Park has also improved with a fantastic new tiger habitat, and an interactive Australian area coming next year. Of course there are some areas are both parks that are in need of desperate improvement. The mediocre bear and cat grottos, The disgracefully small monkey crib cages, the boiling hot geographical mess that is the urban jungle, and the ugly cages that are scattered around the childrens zoo all need some improvement. Luckily a renovation of the children's zoo is next on the zoos list projects.

So with all this said, what do you think? Has the much touted San Diego zoo redeemed itself after years of disappointment? Or does it still lack the creativity and innovation that it made the zoo what it is in the first place?
 
I don't think the San Diego Zoo ever failed to rock. Elephant Odyssey was blown wildly out of proportion. A lot of people express contempt for it simply because it replaced H&H, which, while being an obviously amazing collection, did nothing to draw the average visitor. The appearance is of course also often complained about. I think people calling Elephant Odyssey the "biggest disaster in zoo history" was ridiculous. It's not gorgeous, and the species list isn't overly ambitious but for what it is, it still provides good animal welfare.

As for Panda Canyon, I have to laugh. I don't like the exhibit because I don't find pandas remotely interesting. Despite that, I have to ask, how much more "innovative" can you get with pandas, red pandas, and takins? Should they have built a river raft ride going through the middle of the exhibit? There's not any innovation one can do for those three species that can make them any more interesting than they already are for guests.

On ZooChat, expectations are very high. When a major zoo slips up, it will not go without notice. The Dallas Zoo hippo slip-up is a good example of this, as was the Memphis Zoo's new Hippo exhibit, and Cincinatti's. Other examples would be the Woodland Park Zoo's tiger exhibit, and the Denver Zoo's recent tiger exhibit (Edge of Sadness, one ZooChatter called it). We're a finicky crowd, us ZooChatters. The second a top 30 zoo makes a mistake, it goes down 5 rankings.
 
I have not a shadow of a doubt that the animal welfare for the exhibits are great, I was simply referring to the lack of much creativity, naturalism or any attempt at creating a realistic habitat for most of the animals in EO. Panda Trek simply had a lot of unpleasant details, including an ugly black fence and ugly rock hill in the takin exhibit. I don't think either exhibits are bad, but simply don't live up to the zoos high expectations. They call themselves world famous for a reason, and with the money they spend, everyone, including the general public should be allowed to expect top quality animal exhibits. @reduakari and @Arizona Docent both heavily criticized the park in the thread I posted above, and while I don't agree with everything said, I completely understand what they are trying to convey. I still think the park is one of the best in the country, but the race is tighter than ever at this point. Zoos like Saint Louis, Omaha, Bronx and others are improving at a rapid pace, and the San Diego zoo needs to keep it up in order to maintain its status at the top of the zoo totem pole. If the zoo wants to hold it self to a "world famous" standard, then why shouldn't we? Africa Rocks is exceeding expectations and the zoo is heading in a great direction, and if the zoo can continue this upward trajectory, we have no need to complain.
 
All things considered, I do not think the disappointment (I was going to say disgrace) that is Elephant Odyssey can be overstated. When I say "all things considered" I mean we are referring to arguably the most well known and well respected and perhaps financially stable zoo in the entire world. They had a recent track record of improvements in world class natural exhibits, with Gorilla Tropics followed by Tiger River which later expanded to Monkey Trails. Then they follow this with their biggest project to date and spend 42 million dollars on a barren dirt pit for asian forest elephants and a woefully inadequate lion exhibit and a series of mediocre yards for hoofstock such as guanaco and tapir and pronghorn and domestic horse that are all as bad or worse than the hoofstock yards they replaced.

The new big cat exhibits (Amur leopard, snow leopard, puma) are aesthetically pleasing and well planted, but are no bigger than the almost century old exhibits they replace. Panda Trek is such an insignificant change it is hardly worth mentioning.

In spite of my negativity (ignoring for a moment the catastrophe of abandoning the Wild Animal Park monorail), I still like both San Diego facilities. I like them enough to maintain a higher level Keepers Club membership, even though I live a state away. Will Africa Rocks be a great exhibit and not a bomb like Elephant Odyssey? Yes, I firmly believe it will. When you rate the zoo on numerous factors, including conservation and visitor services and collection and exhibit quality and climate, is it the best zoo in the USA (maybe world)? Yes, I believe it is and so does @snowleopard who has visited more North American zoos than anyone on this forum. Saying that it is the best overall zoo is not the same as saying it is my favorite, because it is not. That is only due to my obsession with cats and carnivores and photo friendly exhibits, which is why I enjoy The Living Desert (for example) more than San Diego. But by objective measures San Diego is still top notch and Africa Rocks will help it maintain this status.
 

Reading through the comments on that old takin photo was a hoot! It is amazing at the contrasting views of San Diego Zoo on that particular thread, but certainly the public relations department has done a masterful job in San Diego for an entire century. In the zoo's centenary books there are many examples of the zoo proclaiming itself to be "world-famous" for a variety of reasons decades ago and that has never changed. It is startling at how many average citizens I encounter have heard of San Diego, and living in British Columbia means that I know loads of folks who have traveled south to California and visited San Diego Zoo. Since people know I'm a big zoo nerd, one of the first questions I consistently get asked is in regards to which zoo is my favourite. No one is ever shocked when I say San Diego, but when people ask me for a list of the best zoos in the USA and I start talking about Omaha and Saint Louis then every single time there are surprised expressions all around. I'm not sure that I've met any average person (a non-zoo enthusiast :)) that has even heard of major zoos being in Omaha and Saint Louis, and yet they are #2 and #3 on my list! Publicity has gone a long way in San Diego and the amount of money from private donations is incredible for San Diego Zoo Global.
 
I don't think criticism is unwarranted, but "the biggest disaster in zoo history"? I would dispute that. But the nice thing about ZooChat is we can all disagree happily. Me, myself? I'm finding Africa Rocks, at this point in time, rather disappointing, mainly due to the attempt to call the Kopje something new (unless information I've heard from other members is wrong, it's supposedly mostly unchanged). I would also add that "Rady Falls" and what little we've seen of Madagascar are as offensive to my eye as a forest of Utilitrees. I'm hoping for a turn-around in the Ethiopian Highlands and Acacia Woodlands, and the penguin exhibit is fairly nice but at this time, if one feels that the San Diego Zoo was not rocking, this will not get it back on track.

The Safari Park is a different story, I think. I was too young for the beloved monorail to really stick in my memory, and the only part of it that I can honestly say is bad at this point in time is that gorilla exhibit. Tiger Trail is indeed excellent, and I really do enjoy the great lengths gone thematically. I only wish that Rady Falls looked as nice as the Tiger Trail waterfall. Barring any major changes to the concept, I have faith in the plans for the Australian area, and I have great faith in the idea that in the next 4-6 years we will see a major announcement of some kind, hopefully regarding the Asian Plains so that the Safari Park can see a return to glory.
 
Agreed all around, Tiger Trails at Safari Park is fantastic!
Right, I've never been to US. However, the Pandas and Takins could have been enhanced by enclosures for some of the many wonderful bird species found in China. I'm thinking any number of pheasant and Laughingthrush species, for a start. Mammals are great, but it's not all about mammals.
 
Right, I've never been to US. However, the Pandas and Takins could have been enhanced by enclosures for some of the many wonderful bird species found in China. I'm thinking any number of pheasant and Laughingthrush species, for a start. Mammals are great, but it's not all about mammals.

As you say, you've never been to the US, so it's hard to understand the exhibit area they have available. The San Diego Zoo is very hilly in terms of its topography. When it's referred to as Panda Canyon, it's meant almost literally. Already they had had to go pretty vertical for the takin exhibit. Currently the complex consists of exhibits for pandas, red pandas, takins, and Mangshan Pit Viper, and it's a very small area built nearly into a hillside. The only feasible way to add other exhibits for the species you mention anywhere near the pandas and takins would be for them to completely remove their Giant Panda Conservation building, and as conservation should be a highlight, I don't think that would have been a good idea.
 
I've been really anticipating the opening of Africa Rocks and hoping that it can turn the recent design trends at the San Diego Zoo. From early indications, it's certainly a step in the right direction after poor exhibits like Elephant Odyssey, and it will be an exhibit that many people will treasure visiting. However, I don't see anything yet that comes close to the brilliance of the older Kopje exhibits at the same facility (a very high standard).
I was under the impression that Africa Rocks was going to be very immersive. However, the dwarf crocodile exhibit has a very strong demarcation between the visitor and animal areas. Hopefully, the other exhibits in the complex will be better.
 
As you say, you've never been to the US, so it's hard to understand the exhibit area they have available. The San Diego Zoo is very hilly in terms of its topography. When it's referred to as Panda Canyon, it's meant almost literally. Already they had had to go pretty vertical for the takin exhibit. Currently the complex consists of exhibits for pandas, red pandas, takins, and Mangshan Pit Viper, and it's a very small area built nearly into a hillside. The only feasible way to add other exhibits for the species you mention anywhere near the pandas and takins would be for them to completely remove their Giant Panda Conservation building, and as conservation should be a highlight, I don't think that would have been a good idea.
That makes a lot of sense. Glad they managed to fit in a non-mammal taxon anyway. I do wonder if pheasants (Monal, White Eared?) might work in the Takin enclosure?
 
That makes a lot of sense. Glad they managed to fit in a non-mammal taxon anyway. I do wonder if pheasants (Monal, White Eared?) might work in the Takin enclosure?

That is an excellent question. I wonder if any other zoos do mixed species Takin exhibits. Sadly, it's a pretty cramped exhibit as I remember it, and I don't think an extra species in that exhibit would necessarily be a good idea, however at other zoos mixed species Takin exhibits might be a good idea.
 
Right, I've never been to US. However, the Pandas and Takins could have been enhanced by enclosures for some of the many wonderful bird species found in China. I'm thinking any number of pheasant and Laughingthrush species, for a start. Mammals are great, but it's not all about mammals.
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As you say, you've never been to the US, so it's hard to understand the exhibit area they have available. The San Diego Zoo is very hilly in terms of its topography. When it's referred to as Panda Canyon, it's meant almost literally. Already they had had to go pretty vertical for the takin exhibit. Currently the complex consists of exhibits for pandas, red pandas, takins, and Mangshan Pit Viper, and it's a very small area built nearly into a hillside. The only feasible way to add other exhibits for the species you mention anywhere near the pandas and takins would be for them to completely remove their Giant Panda Conservation building, and as conservation should be a highlight, I don't think that would have been a good idea.

I dont think any of that should be taken into account when determining hiw good a zoo is. While I personally like Panda Canyon, if someone thinks it's bad the circumstances dont change that. It's wrong to call it a blunder but not to call it bad
 
I dont think any of that should be taken into account when determining hiw good a zoo is. While I personally like Panda Canyon, if someone thinks it's bad the circumstances dont change that. It's wrong to call it a blunder but not to call it bad

I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what you're saying. My point wasn't to call the zoo good for Panda Canyon whatsoever. I was simply replying to FBBird to say that nothing exhibit-wise could be added to Panda Trek currently due to the topography and the existing Panda Conservation building.
 
That is an excellent question. I wonder if any other zoos do mixed species Takin exhibits. Sadly, it's a pretty cramped exhibit as I remember it, and I don't think an extra species in that exhibit would necessarily be a good idea, however at other zoos mixed species Takin exhibits might be a good idea.
It might be that Takin, like a lot of ungulates, are too bouncy to live with anything relatively small and fragile. Sadly, my experience of Takin is limited to seeing them in a few zoos, never worked with them. I do think they're wonderful animals though.
 
While I am fully aware that on a zoo forum such as this one zoo enthusiasts will express enthusiast opinions, considering the desires of the general public can help in understanding why the zoo makes certain decisions. From what I've heard and observed from less enthused friends and family, visibility of animals is important but background "eyesores" are a non issue. In addition, people go crazy for waterfalls. With that in mind, CF and Rady Falls can both be considered home runs. WAF is less so but mostly due to the low number of actual animals in the enclosure. We shall see what MF and the rest of AR has in store.
 
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