Burgers' Zoo Burgers Zoo 2017

PicanBird · 14 Dec 2017

So a few days ago a male lion bit a lioness to death. Any info on that?

littleRedPanda · 15 Dec 2017

Timmiegun said:
So a few days ago a male lion bit a lioness to death. Any info on that?

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ARNHEM - A lion who kills one of his own females . At Burgers' Zoo in Arnhem the incident of Tuesday afternoon arrived hard. ,, We have never experienced such a thing '', says park manager Wineke Schoo, immediately after a meeting with the caretakers.

Occasionally it also occurs in the wild, she now knows after some international phone calls. But even then it is deviant behavior.

Eyewitness
Stan de Laat from Overasselt and his sons Teun (5) and Lucas (4) had introduced their visit to the Arnhem animal park differently. On Tuesday they were the only ones who saw how male Thor chased one of his three females and snapped her neck in a corner of the terrain for a long time. ,, He kept on again and again '', says De Laat. Fortunately, the boys did not notice all the details. They slept well afterwards.

Cadaver
Veterinarian Henk Luten van Burgers' Zoo could not find anything else on Wednesday than that the trachea had indeed been bitten. The cadaver had stayed in the lion enclosure all night. In the morning, the caretakers succeeded in luring the three living lions to separation pens. Then they could reach the dead animal. It goes to the destructor.

Citizens get along on social media. Lions should not be kept in zoos. But the Arnhem animal park has been doing it for almost 100 years and has bred hundreds of lions.

Once in a while, animals in Burgers' Zoo killed a congener, says Wineke Schoo. That was in the 80s, when the dominant chimpanzee man Luit was bitten in his scrotum by two rival men and bleeding to death. ,, But that was different, because they were competitors, '' she says.

,, Injuries due to game or fighting in animals are so common. Lions fight each other for meat, also a man with his wives. But deliberately kill, no, that's new to us. "

Women group
What now? Nothing. Lionman Thor can live in Burgers' Zoo with his remaining wives. Already two years ago in the women's group, who had come to Arnhem from Denmark that year, she also fell victim.

A female was found dead in the cage in the morning. ,, It was then the strongest animal, maybe she was too dominant. Now it is the weakest woman, on whom Thor always went first to take meat. But nothing indicated that this would happen. The remaining two women are not at risk, we think. They are well accepted by the man. "

ShonenJake13 · 18 Dec 2017

Visited yesterday:

PARK: all 15 chimps are back in together after nearly two years of introductions. @Timmiegun the blue duiker pair are indeed still in the pygmy hippo enclosure. The seal pup has left, there are only two now (the Arctic ringed and the Baltic). Where are the twinspots in the Bird house, does anyone know?

SAFARI: the main enclosure in Safari was closed off (unsurprising considering the frosty conditions) so got to see the wildebeest, zebra, waterbuck and giraffes in their stalls for the first time in forever. Lions and cheetahs, as well as pelicans were onshow as normal.

OCEAN: fantastic views of the scalloped hammerhead, something I really wasn’t expecting as he usually stays away from the glass. Also managed to write up a (minimum) species list for the Ocean. They have updated their signage (removing cobia etc. and adding things like potato grouper and barracuda) so it is likely to be more accurate than previously. However, I have every faith it is nowhere near the full list. It shall be posted at some point over the coming days when I am no longer on holiday

DESERT: Desert-wise managed to see just about everything except the fathead minnow and the Merriam’s kangaroo rat (the latter of which I’ve seen before). Rock squirrels were a first for me, having never seen them before. The house finch/Gambel’s quail area was locked off for maintenance and the Colorado river roads have gone offshow for hibernation.

MANGROVE: Couldn’t find the whistling ducks in the Mangrove, or many of the other birds actually (only the honeycreepers and the doves). Also saw only one manatee, have they gone down to two now or are there still three?

RIMBA: all four primate species and the bears and binturongs were inside here. No sign of the hog deer (saw every other species though). Only saw one water monitor despite there now supposedly being two. The golden-cheeked gibbons and the langurs had switched, with the langurs being in the back half of their side and the gibbons in the front. Watched an adolescent tiger cub playing with a huge ball of snow and ice, very cool!

BUSH: saw an awful lot here, free-ranging wise I saw 2/3 bat species (both fruit bats as you would imagine), 16/36 birds (missing loads this time

, including the three species I still haven’t seen before, the leafbird, chacalacas and catbirds), 3/4 reptiles (only missing the iguana!) and 1/2 frogs (Amazon milk frog). Confined-wise saw 3/3 mammals, 4/5 (if the Bornean river turtles are still present in the old manatee pool) reptiles and 9/12 fish species (missing the oscar and tiger sorubim in the caiman tank, and the lungfish). The capybaras have been barred from accessing the old manatee pool, and the pool is now signposted as one for pacu, although the giant pangasius, various turtles and African darter use it too!

korhoen · 18 Dec 2017

For the twinspots I guess the combination with the trushes didn't quite work out so they're either dead or taken behind the scenes.

That you didn't see the whistling ducks in the Mangrove could be because we had our first avian flu outbreak of the year in the Netherlands last week. Did you see the ducks in the Bush or were they also missing? They should still have three manatees. I've heard nothing to suggest that one of them has died/gone away.

I'm also wondering why you think the capybaras can't access the old manatee part of the pool anymore. When I visited two weeks ago I saw nothing that suggested they can't get to that part.

And lastly I really want to know how and where you managed to find the milk frog. I've never found that one myself so really curious!

PicanBird · 18 Dec 2017

ShonenJake13 said:
Visited yesterday:

PARK: all 15 chimps are back in together after nearly two years of introductions. @Timmiegun the blue duiker pair are indeed still in the pygmy hippo enclosure. The seal pup has left, there are only two now (the Arctic ringed and the Baltic). Where are the twinspots in the Bird house, does anyone know?

SAFARI: the main enclosure in Safari was closed off (unsurprising considering the frosty conditions) so got to see the wildebeest, zebra, waterbuck and giraffes in their stalls for the first time in forever. Lions and cheetahs, as well as pelicans were onshow as normal.

OCEAN: fantastic views of the scalloped hammerhead, something I really wasn’t expecting as he usually stays away from the glass. Also managed to write up a (minimum) species list for the Ocean. They have updated their signage (removing cobia etc. and adding things like potato grouper and barracuda) so it is likely to be more accurate than previously. However, I have every faith it is nowhere near the full list. It shall be posted at some point over the coming days when I am no longer on holiday

DESERT: Desert-wise managed to see just about everything except the fathead minnow and the Merriam’s kangaroo rat (the latter of which I’ve seen before). Rock squirrels were a first for me, having never seen them before. The house finch/Gambel’s quail area was locked off for maintenance and the Colorado river roads have gone offshow for hibernation.

MANGROVE: Couldn’t find the whistling ducks in the Mangrove, or many of the other birds actually (only the honeycreepers and the doves). Also saw only one manatee, have they gone down to two now or are there still three?

RIMBA: all four primate species and the bears and binturongs were inside here. No sign of the hog deer (saw every other species though). Only saw one water monitor despite there now supposedly being two. The golden-cheeked gibbons and the langurs had switched, with the langurs being in the back half of their side and the gibbons in the front. Watched an adolescent tiger cub playing with a huge ball of snow and ice, very cool!

BUSH: saw an awful lot here, free-ranging wise I saw 2/3 bat species (both fruit bats as you would imagine), 16/36 birds (missing loads this time , including the three species I still haven’t seen before, the leafbird, chacalacas and catbirds), 3/4 reptiles (only missing the iguana!) and 1/2 frogs (Amazon milk frog). Confined-wise saw 3/3 mammals, 4/5 (if the Bornean river turtles are still present in the old manatee pool) reptiles and 9/12 fish species (missing the oscar and tiger sorubim in the caiman tank, and the lungfish). The capybaras have been barred from accessing the old manatee pool, and the pool is now signposted as one for pacu, although the giant pangasius, various turtles and African darter use it too!

The manatees are still there all three, so maybe they were hiding under the bridge as they like to rest there.
The iguana is often seen on the overview in the bush or near the door of the safari restaurant.
The capybaras can actually enter the Pacu area but they dont do that as they are being fed near their beach. When the manatees were still there they often went there to steal some food. Never seen the frogs so please tell me where did you find these?
The other water monitor is still often behind the scenes as they are slowly introducing these two together. Maybe he was in the second area of the enclosure as they can be seperated?

Anyone any news by the way on why the tapirs were moved out by the way a while back? Now that the tapirs and the pygmy hippo were both moved I feel like they are planning something with that area.

ShonenJake13 · 18 Dec 2017

The milk frog was on a tree in the caiman viewing area, about a foot or so before the zebra cichlid pool. Sadly couldn’t get a good photo as my decent camera had just died, leaving only my phone which didn’t have a good enough zoom

it wasn’t that close to the path

Vision · 18 Dec 2017

@ShonenJake13 I'm interested in where you saw the leafbird? Never managed to find that!

ShonenJake13 · 18 Dec 2017

Vision said:
@ShonenJake13 I'm interested in where you saw the leafbird? Never managed to find that!

Crossed wires! Missed loads of species, INCLUDING the leafbird

I would have started with that news if I had!

Vision · 18 Dec 2017

Ah okay, misread those bracket marks indeed

PicanBird · 18 Dec 2017

Does anyone have an actual list with all birds in the Bush+picture? Also I think the leafbird could be in quarrantaine cause off the bird flu?

PicanBird · 19 Dec 2017

Hey guys! Today I did a hunt in the bush, yet I have not found the leafbird nor the amazon milk frogs. After a check with some staff there's no information on the leafbirds still being around? I thought I heard a few of them but those were other birds.

ShonenJake13 · 19 Dec 2017

Timmiegun said:
Does anyone have an actual list with all birds in the Bush+picture? Also I think the leafbird could be in quarrantaine cause off the bird flu?

ShonenJake13 · 19 Dec 2017

Timmiegun said:
Hey guys! Today I did a hunt in the bush, yet I have not found the leafbird nor the amazon milk frogs. After a check with some staff there's no information on the leafbirds still being around? I thought I heard a few of them but those were other birds.

Milk frogs are hard to find at the best of times; there’s a reason no one has been able to find them yet except a few of us!

Not surprising those multiple birds you heard weren’t the leafbird; there’s only one (a female I think).

LARTIS · 19 Dec 2017

I think the best time to spot the frogs is in winter when there is a little light left outside, but the bush is allready quiet dark. I saw two or three frogs that i could not identify, but they were small like poison dart frogs.

PicanBird · 19 Dec 2017

ShonenJake13 said:
Milk frogs are hard to find at the best of times; there’s a reason no one has been able to find them yet except a few of us!

Not surprising those multiple birds you heard weren’t the leafbird; there’s only one (a female I think).

Wouldn't staff know tho if they had one?
@LARTIS Will check again during Pasar Malam I guess

korhoen · 19 Dec 2017

Timmiegun said:
Wouldn't staff know tho if they had one?
@LARTIS Will check again during Pasar Malam I guess

Depends on what staff you've asked

They certainly still had one last summer when I saw and photographed it. It doesn't really have a specific spot it is usually in. I've seen it twice from the viewing platform near the Ocean and twice between the otters and the restaurant.

ShonenJake13 · 19 Dec 2017

LARTIS said:
I think the best time to spot the frogs is in winter when there is a little light left outside, but the bush is allready quiet dark. I saw two or three frogs that i could not identify, but they were small like poison dart frogs.

Those will have been Montserrat whistling frogs

Kifaru Bwana · 20 Dec 2017

ShonenJake13 said:
Those will have been Montserrat whistling frogs

Woow, .... Burgers Zoo has another Montserrat Island frog species?!?

PicanBird · 20 Dec 2017

korhoen said:
Depends on what staff you've asked They certainly still had one last summer when I saw and photographed it. It doesn't really have a specific spot it is usually in. I've seen it twice from the viewing platform near the Ocean and twice between the otters and the restaurant.

a Zoo keeper that works in the bush and a few tourguides, they said that they get new animals every week and also some animals leave every week.

PicanBird · 24 Dec 2017

Little mangrove update:
They have added tiny fishes and shrimps to the mud area! They are visible mostly between the roofed bridge and the future 'upside down-jellyfish' puddle.
Also the pikes they released have been spotted near the whistlingduck beach and near the waterstrean that comes from the dry-forest

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