Chester Zoo Chester Zoo Discussion, Speculation & Questions 2018

I don't know how many people have looked up the plans for the proposed Animal Holding Area, for which the link was posted in 'Headline News' (sic) thread.
These plans are well worth some study. The site is the large field to the east of the zoo, behind Cedar House, the Animal Health Centre and staff car park, the Education Centre and the jaguars. The total area is 7.6 hectares (18.8 acres for old folk like us). Parts will be visible in from the windows of RotRA, but it will be fenced off and screened with trees etc.
Along the eastern and southern borders will be five stable blocks, each linked to 2 paddocks. The two largest blocks will each have 10 stables. The smaller ones will have proportionately fewer stables and smaller paddocks.
There will be 4 aviary blocks. The largest to have 24 indoor compartments and 12 large flights. Two blocks will each have 18 indoor compartments, with 8 small and 10 medium-sized flights. The final block will have 8 fully enclosed aviaries.
The plans show 10 buildings for 'small' animals. The largest has 4 indoor compartments and 2 fully enclosed outdoor runs. There are 2 buildings with a similar design on a slightly smaller scale and 4 more that are smaller again. The other 4 blocks have 7 indoor areas each and 5 smaller runs.
The largest new building will be for Herpetology. There will also be 4 smaller buildings and 6 polytunnels in this area. There are already 3 barns and 5 containers used for herps and insects on the site and they will remain. The last new building is for Staff Support with facilities for 8 to 12 staff, offices etc, a food preparation area and a bird isolation unit.
It seems to me that this is a large scale development. There will be no frills of course, as there will be no public access; but this area could hold the stock of good sized zoo (except for the very largest species). If the plans are approved and the development goes ahead, virtually all of the animals that are currently off-show could be held there. The only exceptions would be the black rhinos, which I assume will be fine where they are, and the animals in the Health Centre for treatment or quarantine.
In consequence, for example, all the animals held off-show in the Tropical House could be moved out, and those on-show could go with them temporarily too. A few days ago I was looking at a photo I took in 1963, with the Tropical House half-built behind the old gorilla island. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that the building should have a lifespan of about 60 years.
 
I am sure that when Motty designed the Tropical house it was not expected to last so long. I am not one of the people who are sad to see it go,it was good for its time, now it is outdated, the roof leaks and it's expensive to run and maintain.

I'm old enough to remember when you had to pay to get into the Tropical house. I think the charge was abolished in the late 1970s. I could find out from the annual reports but I can't be bothered to get them out :rolleyes:
 
How long until the ZooChatters wit the massive camera lenses start trying to see the new off show areas to look at potential new animals :P
 
From what I've read, very little of the offshow zoo will be visible. As mentioned avove the best views will befrom Realm of the Red Ape, but I doubt that you will see much.
 
Fantastic news about the new developments - no doubt this will be great for the zoo's ongoing conservation work, especially with amphibians, reptiles and insects. I'm always impressed by how much the zoo puts into these less-appreciated species.

That said, I do hope this won't result in too many species being held off show in the future, i.e. when the Tropical Realm goes. I think its good to have species like the Golden Mantellas on display, to help educate people about their plight in the wild, and its also nice to have so much more variety to see besides the obvious crowd-pleasing animals.

Out of interest, and at risk of opening a can of worms, what species do people know of at Chester that are not on public view? I know of Scottish Wildcats, tenrecs and (for now) Tree Kangaroo, and presumably there are many herps?
 
Out of interest, and at risk of opening a can of worms, what species do people know of at Chester that are not on public view?
I was told the Narrow-striped mongoose are viewable when doing one of the 'experiences' so wonder if other species are too.
 
Out of interest, and at risk of opening a can of worms, what species do people know of at Chester that are not on public view? I know of Scottish Wildcats, tenrecs and (for now) Tree Kangaroo, and presumably there are many herps?
There are quite a few bird species too, including the breeding pairs of green magpies of course - but at least we now have 2 young birds on show. From the latest Annual Report the off-show species included, pink pigeons, Philippine cockatoos, lesser sulphur crested cockatoos, red & blue lories, Mount Apo lorikeets, grey breasted and golden (QoB) conures and the Derbyan parakeets :(. Although of course there may have been changes since that list was compiled at the end of 2016.
 
Mammals wise and based off the annual report/recent news the current offshow mammals are:

Narrow-striped mongoose
Scottish wildcat
Turkish spiny mouse
Lowland streaked tenrec
Naked mole rat
Goodfellow’s tree kangaroo (temporary)
Cape porcupine (temporary)
Black lemur (temporary)

A huge number of herps, fish and inverts are housed offshow. Though with a fair few of these offshow species the same advice goes a long way: you can see them if you know where to look!
 
Two species moved from offshow to onshow recently are Bermuda killifish (Aquarium) and beautiful pit viper (Monsoon forest)
 
Two species moved from offshow to onshow recently are Bermuda killifish (Aquarium) and beautiful pit viper (Monsoon forest)

Where abouts is this? I was at Chester Sunday and I have a mad obsession of snakes and I love Vipers and Lanceheads and didn't notice this :(
 
A lot of the animals held in the new offshow area at first Will be currently held species, I would guess the zebra may move of the giraffes are going to move to there paddock, as a new house will be needed and the okapi will have to move when the old giraffe house comes down.

Also the Congo buffalo.
 
That is correct jde7582. Also it will provide accommodation for stallion onager and Grevy's zebra when they are not required for breeding.
 
Chester Zoo has always struggled with space to house animals off show. The new development simply makes it easier to manage stock especially larger mammals and expedite redevelopment plans.
Over the years off-show animals have been kept in a random medley of different places.
For example Barbary Macaques were kept in the old big cat dens (where the Fruit bat forest now is). Racoons were kept in the Baboon dens after the outside enclosures had been demolished. Kinkajou and polecats were kept in the small mammal kitchen area.
Numerous bird species are currently kept in the spaces which used to be the Nocturnal House / Chimp dens at the rear of the Tropical House (Realm)
One area which held a lot of hoof stock off show for decades was the old cattle house / 'Shippen', the low level building attached to the giraffe house, at one time this building had its own outdoor paddocks, space now occupied by the giraffes.
Younger zoochatters might not be aware of other off show areas which used to be very much on-show. For example the aquarium, having walked round the two existing galleries, the visitors passageway then continued right round the back or those galleries with three corridors at right angles to one another leaving by an exit door right next to the entrance door 80 tanks in total.
In the Tropical House (Realm) there was a long corridor of vivarium on the extreme left of and running the whole length of the building, this contained a lot of venomous snakes, sadly now off show.
 
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