American Auroch Project

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PrimoCulture Farms

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Thought I'd share this here. I've been following the projects in Europe aimed at creating a replica of the extinct aurochs for conservation uses. So two years ago I started my own project with a similar goal. I'm currently working on trying to import semen from the breeds being used in Europe but for the time being I'm only working with breeds available here. I'll be using Highlander, Watusi, Corriente, Piedmontese, Chiannia, and Hungarian Grey cattle. Will post pictures of what I've done so far below.
 
PrimoCulture Farms said:
Thought I'd share this here. I've been following the projects in Europe aimed at creating a replica of the extinct aurochs for conservation uses. So two years ago I started my own project with a similar goal. I'm currently working on trying to import semen from the breeds being used in Europe but for the time being I'm only working with breeds available here. I'll be using Highlander, Watusi, Corriente, Piedmontese, Chiannia, and Hungarian Grey cattle. Will post pictures of what I've done so far below.
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Are Heck Cattle not available in the USA?
 
I wish you all the best in your endeavors.

But to put a dumper on things:
The whole European "auerochs" project is both historically (heavily steeped in Nazi ideology as both Heck brothers were …) and evolutionary / genetically (this entire breed back strategy is miles apart from any historical European Pleistocene wild cattle species) flawed. Same goes for so-called European wild horse tarpan as these Polish koniks horses are an 18th Century domestic horse race.
 
FBBird said:
Are Heck Cattle not available in the USA?
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In the US, Heck Cattle are bred mainly for hunting ranches. US Heck Cattle are therefor bred for meat and ease of hunting, rather than to resemble Aurochs. Therefore, Heck Cattle would not be the best choice for backbreeding.

EDIT: Cross-posted with Kifaru Bwana. Kifaru partly touches on what I was trying to say here.
 
Kifaru Bwana said:
I wish you all the best in your endeavors.

But to put a dumper on things:
The whole European "auerochs" project is both historically (heavily steeped in Nazi ideology as both Heck brothers were …) and evolutionary / genetically (this entire breed back strategy is miles apart from any historical European Pleistocene wild cattle species) flawed. Same goes for so-called European wild horse tarpan as these Polish koniks horses are an 18th Century domestic horse race.
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Correct we'll never have Aurochs again, but something that at least looks like one is my goal. And yes the heck cattle were the result of misplaced Nazi ideology.
 
PrimoCulture Farms said:
Correct we'll never have Aurochs again, but something that at least looks like one is my goal. And yes the heck cattle were the result of misplaced Nazi ideology.
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The ideology behind the Heck brothers back breeding IMHO should not influence our view of the end product. Apart from bring smaller, surely they are the nearest thing we have to Aurochsen?
 
What we need to ask is how close in appearance are Heck Cattle to Aurochs, and although not the genuine article what percentage of their genetic makeup do they share? I suspect that most is identical. Let's continue to breed back to cattle that are more and more like Aurochs and when these are placed under natural selection, an animal will be produced that is close to the original in ecology and behaviour.
 
Carl Jones said:
What we need to ask is how close in appearance are Heck Cattle to Aurochs, and although not the genuine article what percentage of their genetic makeup do they share? I suspect that most is identical. Let's continue to breed back to cattle that are more and more like Aurochs and when these are placed under natural selection, an animal will be produced that is close to the original in ecology and behaviour.
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Hello Carl, I know what you are asking and thinking as far as

The aurochs genome has been sequenced not too long ago. Also quite a few studies have been done in recent years on aurochs and any the potential to breed back from any primitive domesticated cattle yet present within Europe.

To be able to be concise and to the point and write up, I will need some time. As I am in our office at the moment, I will not be able to do this during the day. This evening or tomorrow at the latest. Please bear with me (in the interest of all with an interest in our European heritage and our old wild cattle and horse representatives.
 
Sounds very interesting @PrimoCulture Farms. Are you going to use zebu at all in your project? Zebu are the direct descendants of Aurochs so would probably be a good option for creating a phenotype. Good luck!
 
My favorite breeding back project would have to be the Quagga Project, which has managed to breed quagga-like zebras. My only issue is that they call their zebras quaggas when they should really be called "Rau zebras" to distinguish from true quaggas.
 
animal_expert01 said:
Sounds very interesting @PrimoCulture Farms. Are you going to use zebu at all in your project? Zebu are the direct descendants of Aurochs so would probably be a good option for creating a phenotype. Good luck!
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If you read some of the scientific publications above you will note that some Iberian primitive cattle align the most with former aurochs. Zebu are definitely not part of this, so for any breed back program not well suited.
 
No offence, but to be truly honest: I fail to see the point of this project. The aurochs was never native to North America and there are already existing serious projects such as the aforementioned Tauros Programme you could rather join rather than create something completely new that, as pointed out by Kifaru Bwana, uses an inadequate breeding foundation to begin with.
 
Batto said:
No offence, but to be truly honest: I fail to see the point of this project. The aurochs was never native to North America and there are already existing serious projects such as the aforementioned Tauros Programme you could rather join rather than create something completely new that, as pointed out by Kifaru Bwana, uses an inadequate breeding foundation to begin with.
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Kifaru simply said zebu would not be suited, and them being native has no standing on this project. And to simply join an established project is not just something you do believe me. That said this project has multiple aims, beyond creating a cow that's cool to look at when managing wild areas. I'll also point out that most of the projects in Europe are using the same breeds I am and a few more.
 
PrimoCulture Farms said:
That said this project has multiple aims, beyond creating a cow that's cool to look at when managing wild areas.
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Which are?
PrimoCulture Farms said:
and them being native has no standing on this project.
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Why not? For managing wild areas such as grassland via extensive farming in America, you already have a well suited native bovine species at hands: the American bison.
PrimoCulture Farms said:
And to simply join an established project is not just something you do believe me.
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Why not? I've joined and collaborated with established projects in the past (and still today) - and mostly, it worked just fine or even really well. Why reinvent the wheel?
 
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