The Zoochat Photographic Guide to Prosimians

There's always next time :) don't suppose you got any carnivore photographs whilst in Madagascar which could fill gaps in that thread?

Maybe? I have to browse through all the pictures again. I only had a dodgy point n' shoot with me. If I have any, I'm not even sure if they'll be usable. I might have a fossa...
 
I have several slides of a thick-tailed galago at Birmingham Nature Centre (as was) circa 1973, but that was long before the species was split and resplit. Would there be any point in scanning them?
 
I have several slides of a thick-tailed galago at Birmingham Nature Centre (as was) circa 1973, but that was long before the species was split and resplit. Would there be any point in scanning them?

Go for it :) the more older photographs we have in the gallery the better, from my point of view.
 
Just a note to say I have uploaded a photograph of Goodman's Mouse Lemur and attached it to the relevant point of this thread :)

Breaking news - it isn't a Goodman's Mouse Lemur. However, it is something even nicer..... the recently-described Ganzhorn's Mouse Lemur (Microcebus ganzhorni).

To summarise the situation; the mouse lemur population at Plzen at the time of my visit and immediately prior comprised 2,0 M. murinus on-display, along with 4,5 M. lehilahytsara and 2,2 M. murinus off-display. However, the M. murinus held offshow were labelled as being of suspect identification, with M. rufus proposed as a likely identity.

When I visited, the lehilahytsara and "murinus" were housed side-by-side in the offshow rooms. I saw both, but the inhabitants of one cage disappeared into their nestbox as soon as I approached whilst the other remained visible for long enough to get a few photographs - 5-10 seconds or thereabouts. This individual - the one in my photograph - was housed in the Goodman's cage according to my notes, and given the fact it looked nothing like murinus I saw no reason to distrust this identification.

HOWEVER......

Today the 2017 annual report and inventory for Plzen was released, containing the now-ascertained identity of the suspect "murinus" - M. ganzhorni, which is a 2016 split from Madam Berthes' Mouse Lemur. As such, I decided to double-check my girlfriend's photographs from offshow at Plzen in case she had managed to get a photograph of these animals.... only to notice, when quickly scanning through my photographs, that my image of the exhibit label for the suspect mouse lemurs was in the middle of the photographs I had taken of the mouse lemur which remained visible.

Looking at images taken of both species at Plzen by @Vision some time prior to my visit, it is now apparent that the species I saw only briefly was lehilahytsara and that the one illustrated in this thread is ganzhorni :p
 
@Vision has posted about the matter in the gallery as a supplement to one of *his* photographs of the mouse lemur in question; I reproduce the text below:

Okay, here's the text explaining the bold claim in the title!

February 2017: On my visits in July 2016 and February 2017 there were three cages tucked away very far behind a few other bird cages in the off-show area, two of which labelled "1,0 Goodman's" and "0,1 Goodman's" respectively (thus referring to Microcebus lehilahytsara), and the other was labelled "1,1 Maki trpasličí "červený."
"Maki trpasličí" is the common czech name for gray mouse lemur (but literally translates to "midget lemur"), and "Maki červený" is the common name for red mouse lemur.
The fact that the "červený" (which literally translates into red) was written between quotation marks made me doubt whether they actually have M.rufus or just (very small, as they were smaller than the M.lelilahytsara right beside them) M.murinus with a slightly more reddish coloration. The keepers present were no real help, as "really small monkeys" was the only thing they knew them by.
What made me wonder the most is that in July 2016, after seeing a lemur in that cage, I added M.rufus on Zootierliste, but quite some time later it suddenly wasn't listed anymore, not in former nor current listings, with no mention of it being taken down on the notice board.

So the options I thought about in February were:
1) They are M.rufus and the zoo wants to keep it a secret that they have them (though I wouldn't know why).
2) They are M.rufus and some misinformed other person removed them from Zootierliste.
3) They're just M.murinus with a slightly more reddish coat than usual and labelled as such (thus "červený" with the quotation marks).
4) They're just incorrectly labelled M.murinus or M.lehilahytsara.

Now: The Plzen Annual Report for 2017 was released today, and in it they mentioned 2,2,0 of their Grey mouse lemurs (Microcebus murinus) turned out to belong to a different, recently described species, Ganzhorn's mouse lemur (Microcebus ganzhorni). This potentially fixes a lot of the problems in the explanation above.
M.rufus I don't think can be an option, because of the fact that the species wasn't in the annual report for either 2016 or 2017. The (silent) removal from zootierliste probably reflects this, by somebody noticing it was mentioned on zootierliste and not on the annual report, and correcting zootierliste as such.
The size difference I think is the main clue; the two animals in the picture were notably smaller than the M.lelilahytsara right beside them. However, it is mentioned in many places that M.murinus is in fact the largest species of mouse lemur, so that doesn't make a lot of sense. I haven't had the time to fully read into the articles about M.ganzhorni, but since this was one of the more "cryptic" splits I assume size differences between M.ganzhorni and the rest of the very similar species will be minimal, and this species will thus generally be smaller than the biggest species, M.murinus (and potentially smaller than M.lelilahytsara).
The label "červený" also makes a lot more sense now, in that Plzen hypothetically noticed these were different, wrote down they were more "red" than the other, "normal" M.murinus they had, and then recently did more research on these "red" ones to see what species they actually belonged to.

It's hard to judge from this picture alone that these might be one species or the other (other meaning either M.murinus or M.lelilahytsara), and of course animals are often mislabelled in zoos (certainly in off-show areas I assume those are not the biggest of concerns), but the combination of the recent research, the note that these are more "red" than the others, and the fact that these were smaller than the M.lelilahytsara next doors made me draw the conclusion that these might be the M.ganzhorni mentioned in the annual report.
 
This and the other similar threads are an outstanding compilation of great photographs and information. Great credit is due to yourself and the other main contributors for putting so much work towards building such a valuable body of work. Loving it and learning so much.
 
Ganzhorn's Mouse Lemur (Microcebus ganzhorni)

The range of this species is restricted to the Madena Forest of southeast Madagascar.

Photo by @TeaLovingDave

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As something of a departure from my previous threads in this vein, and with a view to supplementing the ongoing thread being written by @Chlidonias on the subject of Old World Haplorhines, I felt it appropriate to do a thread on the subject of the Strepsirrhini with his prior consent.

As he has noted elsewhere, Primates as a whole has seen quite extensive taxonomic splitting - as far as the Lemuroidea is concerned I will be following the taxonomy put forward in this book, which is probably the best resource on the subject available to the layman..... or at least the layman unable to afford the second volume of HMW :p this is oversplit where the mouse lemurs are concerned, in my opinion, but it is nonetheless pretty damn good.

I'll play the Lorisoidea by ear when I get to it.
Very good photos. How I wish mine would turn out!
 
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