Onychorhynchus coronatus
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Brilliant , thanks for that birdsandbats , very interesting indeed!
Species you hate to see in zoos
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Brilliant , thanks for that birdsandbats , very interesting indeed!
Well, Leipzig and the collections in the USA...
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North America, yes. Europe, I don't think so.
As they become rarer, yes, hopefully.
Although Europe are less likely to...
Brookfield Zoo, Columbus Zoo, Gladys Porter Zoo, Memphis Zoo, Pittsburgh Zoo, and Turtle Back Zoo currently.
~Thylo
Onychorhynchus coronatus
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Why would Europe be less likely to ?
I hope more do come...
Mainly for political reasons ; China and South-East Asia is more likely to want ties with the USA than a now slightly floundering Europe, (least of all the UK, given the mess we've got ourselves into...), although I wouldn't rule out more zoos in Germany and France magically getting some. I'd say Berlin and Beauval are probably two highest candidates if I were China
Onychorhynchus coronatus
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Mainly for political reasons ; China and South-East Asia is more likely to want ties with the USA than a now slightly floundering Europe, (least of all the UK, given the mess we've got ourselves into...), although I wouldn't rule out more zoos in Germany and France magically getting some. I'd say Berlin and Beauval are probably two highest candidates if I were China
So its kind of a "panda diplomacy" type situation ?
But then again Pangolins occur in a lot of regions outside of China like Africa , Indian subcontinent, South East Asia so China dont really have a monopoly on these animals.
Also , correct me if I'm wrong but the Chinese certainly don't have the same standing/authority/ credentials when it comes to in-situ or ex-situ conservation of pangolins as they have historically with the giant panda.
Also, the way US zoos received the pangolins in the first place is somewhat controversial.
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It is not really, though you need the right contacts
@amur leopard , in a way some Asian countries are growing closer to Europe with the Angry Orange at the wheel in the US, Europe is a somewhat boring, but more reliable trading partner and the large scale investments in the Belt-and-Road projects confirm this.
Onychorhynchus coronatus
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I'm going to read up on that as I don't know enough about the history of the Pangolin in captivity.
FunkyGibbon
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Mainly for political reasons ; China and South-East Asia is more likely to want ties with the USA than a now slightly floundering Europe, (least of all the UK, given the mess we've got ourselves into...), although I wouldn't rule out more zoos in Germany and France magically getting some. I'd say Berlin and Beauval are probably two highest candidates if I were China
If this were sound analysis then Europe would have received no Giant Pandas in recent years and more American cities would have them. But the opposite is true.
More generally, I've never seen a pangolin in a zoo on the Chinese Mainland. I would like to, because there is important work to be done with educating people about the threats to them in relation to traditional medicine.
Probably because any zoo that does get them immediately sells them for a high price.
FunkyGibbon
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Do you want me to explain gently why this is a ridiculous thing to say, or just go after you for posting something so thoughtlessly and offensively wrong?
It isn't in the slightest, no - quite apart from anything else neither of the main Asian collections holding pangolins are located in China.
(Or rather, neither are in the PRC - just in case someone decides to be a smartarse about the official name of Taiwan)
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I'm sorry @Onychorhynchus coronatus that I gave you wrong info/point of view 
Mainly for political reasons ; China and South-East Asia is more likely to want ties with the USA than a now slightly floundering Europe, (least of all the UK, given the mess we've got ourselves into...), although I wouldn't rule out more zoos in Germany and France magically getting some. I'd say Berlin and Beauval are probably two highest candidates if I were China
Apart from the points everybody else already made, if this were true then why do several European zoos such as Prague have ties for zoos/breeding centers in Indochinese countries such as Vietnam? Additionally, Prague and Wroclaw have announced plans to finance a pangolin breeding center in Laos so that also sounds contradictory to your claim. If anything, I'd say Prague is the most likely candidate for the next zoo to receive pangolins.
This reminds me, there is also a private place in St. Augustine, Florida, which keeps and supposedly breed White-Bellied Pangolins. The owner is the guy who imported the entire current population from Togo.
~Thylo