Since when did the musk ok become so rare in the U.S. ? I remember that i saw musk ox at brookfield zoo in the eighties and i have a vague memory of seeing them at San Francisco zoo once. I think i also saw them at Toronto zoo, also back in the eighties. If you check zootierliste it seems that muskox are now easier to find in europe. What a pity, i remember they were impressive animals.
Any of these in U.S. zoos? and where?
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The musk ox exhibit at the San Francisco Zoo is now their African savanna exhibit. The musk ox left SF many years ago.
There were musk ox in the Oregon Zoo Alaska exhibit, but they got sent elsewhere too and that complex is now the African predator exhibit.
I know San Diego had one quite recently. I don't know if any AZA accredited facilities hold Margay but I believe some private collectors hold the species.
May I add Lesser Malay Chevrotain (or any species of mouse-deer besides Greater Malay) to the list?
~Thylo
Phantom Gaur
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Did anyone ever confirm what type of mouse deer is at Bronx? Also, I believe Prospect Park Zoo has some type too but the WCS websites being "so informative with their animal lists" doesn't list it on Prospect Park's site.
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After some web searching, it looks like both have Greater Malay Chevrotain.
margay - there is at least one at a private facility associated with the Feline Conservation Federation (I forget the facility name) and there are one or two at the AZA acredited Santa Ana Zoo. Once these die off, that will be it for the USA. 
margay - there is at least one at a private facility associated with the Feline Conservation Federation (I forget the facility name) and there are one or two at the AZA acredited Santa Ana Zoo. Once these die off, that will be it for the USA.
If you want to see margays, come over to britain. They have them at welsh mountain zoo and edinburgh(although they're off display at edinburgh so you might have to pull some strings to see them).
The confusion over Bronx's species was a mistake on my part, AnaheimZoo confirmed they were Greater Mouse-Deer. I don't know about Prospect Park but I know Central Park has Greaters also.
~Thylo
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A trip over to England has always been in my thoughts. There seems to be plenty of animals over there that you can't find here in the U.S.
don't forget port lympne
it really does surprise me about the musk ox and i always thought that there where many in US zoos
Any of these in US zoos?
Can anyone tell me if Margay is in private ownership in the US? They were freely imported as pets back in the sixties, along with Ocelots. I saw my first Margay in Harrods pet department in 1971. [Not suggesting they should be kept as pets, but there may be some private breeders out there].
Can anyone tell me if Margay is in private ownership in the US? They were freely imported as pets back in the sixties, along with Ocelots. I saw my first Margay in Harrods pet department in 1971. [Not suggesting they should be kept as pets, but there may be some private breeders out there].
I'm sure some have been smuggling illegally into some people's private collections.
It seems Big Cat Rescue is home to at least one Margay; Margay Facts - Big Cat Rescue
This may be what Arizona Docent was talking about:
:: The Cat House ::
~Thylo
Fort Worth has secretary birds
Pittsburgh has northern elephant seal
Brookfield, Pittsburgh, Memphis, and I think Gladys Porter and maybe one or two other places have white-bellied tree pangolin. San Diego no longer has pangolin.
Pittsburgh has northern elephant seal
Brookfield, Pittsburgh, Memphis, and I think Gladys Porter and maybe one or two other places have white-bellied tree pangolin. San Diego no longer has pangolin.
Louisville Zoo used to have Woolly Monkeys
San Diego Zoo displays Secretary Birds
Point Defiance Zoo displays Musk Oxen
Pittsburgh Zoo displays Elephant Seals
San Diego Zoo displays Secretary Birds
Point Defiance Zoo displays Musk Oxen
Pittsburgh Zoo displays Elephant Seals
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Are there still Bushpigs (P. Larvatus koiropotamus )and Bearded Pigs (Sus barbatus) left in the States ? In the matter of Buspigs, I think San Diego was thelast with them, and I would u, they are dead in the meantime. I saw Bearded Pigs at San Diego and Philadelphia. Does anybody know, where did they come from ? Not from europe, so I think, it was San Diego, who has imported them from asia, but when ?
I have noticed that some species like Black-footed cats are found in North America relatively easily but nowhere to be seen in Europe. There are other cases like this such as Masai giraffes or Pronghorns, but also vice versa. Are these differences due to:
a) Difficult to procure food for the animals in question (pronghorns?)
b) The AZA and EAZA are focusing on different species for conservation programs (Masai giraffes and Black-footed cats?)
c) The countries of origin are only allowing them to leave to certain places?
a) Difficult to procure food for the animals in question (pronghorns?)
b) The AZA and EAZA are focusing on different species for conservation programs (Masai giraffes and Black-footed cats?)
c) The countries of origin are only allowing them to leave to certain places?
I know Bushpigs were still kept at Shadow Nursery when they went under but I do not know where the animals went from there or if they are still alive. Gladys Porter and Capital of Texas Zoo should still have bearded pigs.
a) Pronghorn don't seem to thrive for very long outside of the natural native range for some reason, this is even true within the US. The Peninsular Pornghorn population, for instance, is entirely based in the Southwest US.
b) Masai Giraffes and Black-Footed Cats used to be in European zoos but those populations died out.
~Thylo
Is the pronghorn issue something to do with the sourcing of sedges and forbs or is it more to do with climate?
And I assume the reason why no Black-footed cats are being sourced from North American zoos is because they have an AZA program and there isn't an EAZA program for them?
Thanks
Is the pronghorn issue something to do with the sourcing of sedges and forbs or is it more to do with climate?
And I assume the reason why no Black-footed cats are being sourced from North American zoos is because they have an AZA program and there isn't an EAZA program for them?
Thanks
Not sure on the Pronghorn. Well I know at least one zoo planned to import the cats from the US but they pulled out. Lack of interest in starting a program in Europe is more likely the reason.
~Thylo
Some eastern zoos outside of native Pronghorn range (such as Columbus) keep them just fine.