Best UK Okapi enclosure

Best UK Okapi enclosure?


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In point of fact, I would contend not only that Chester's exhibit complex for Okapi is better than the one at Wild Place, but that I suspect those people voting for the latter collection have been swayed by misleading photography and an automatic assumption that Wild Place must be better because it is the newest exhibit ;) and possibly also a desire to vote against Chester.

Firstly, although Wild Place is certainly the second-best Okapi exhibit in the UK, a few points must be noted; it covers rather less space than the Chester exhibit complex does, at 2,100 m² in total as opposed to the 2,700 m² exhibit complex at Chester. Moreover, the complex is standing mostly empty, with several of the 5 paddocks mentioned by @Ned currently unoccupied due to the fact the collection is down to 0,2 individuals..... and as already noted, these individuals occupy a rather small and pokey indoor shed. I am not sure which exhibits are occupied and which are unoccupied, so I don't know whether the current inhabitants have access to it, but judging from Google Maps the "large and very wooded" exhibit which Ned mentioned is 675 m².

Secondly, the exhibit complex at Chester is both larger and more lushly-vegetated than the single photograph provided by BZF would indicate; this image depicts approximately one-third of a single paddock and therefore does a poor job of representing the exhibit complex as a whole, which comprises the following:

1) A pair of linked outdoor enclosures connected to the main indoor house
2) A large onshow indoor paddock with offshow housing elsewhere in the house
3) A secondary indoor house which is entirely offshow
4) A semi-offshow outdoor paddock which is fed by the secondary house and can only be viewed from afar across a canal.

Currently, I believe the complex as a whole contains 2,2 individuals, plus a number of Red Natal Duiker which share the main house and paddocks. It is worth noting that the indoor viewing for the species is rather better in quality than is the case at other UK collections too - not only is the indoor paddock a lot larger than is the case elsewhere, but unlike elsewhere it comprises more than a mere stable pen. Moreover, the lighting in the indoor area is deliberately kept low, and viewing is obtained through scattered small windows and mesh, which helps to provide the inhabitants with some degree of privacy and areas within the paddock where they can avoid view, along with light levels closer to that found in their natural habitat.

Main paddocks:

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Interior viewing window and portion of the onshow indoor paddock:

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Semi-offshow paddock:

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I think you've convinced me to change my vote.
 
Poll closed. Congratulations to Wild Place on narrowly winning the vote for Best UK Okapi enclosure. It was an extremely close contest with Wild Place beating Chester by 1 vote in the end. This is Wild Places's second poll win with the first being in the European Brown Bear competition. Chester has once again performed extremely strongly and although they didn't win this poll it is testament to the strength of their collection that with an enclosure that is certainly not one of their strongest they have still performed extremely well. A mention should also be given to Marwell who performed well to come third. It is also YWP's worst result in a poll so far.

Wild Place: 41.3%
Chester: 39.1%
Marwell: 15.2%
YWP: 2.2%
London: 2.2%
 
I thought I would also just recap the winners so far.

Bornean Orangutan - Chester
Sumatran Orangutan - Chester
Chimpanzee - Edinburgh
Gorilla - Jersey (Jersey/Paignton if include votes after poll close)
African Elephant - Howletts
Asian Elephant - Whipsnade
Elephant Safari - Woburn
Black Rhino - Chester
Indian Rhino - Whipsnade
White Rhino - Marwell
White Rhino Safari - Woburn
Hippo - Longleat
Pygmy Hippo - Whipsnade
European Brown Bear - Wild Place
Polar Bear - Highland
Sun Bear - Chester
Spectacled Bear - Chester
Jaguar - Chester
Leopard - YWP
Snow Leopard - Highland
Clouded Leopard - Cotswold
Cheetah - Hamerton
Sea Lion - Colchester/Blackpool
Wolf - Highland
African Wild Dog - Chester
Lion - YWP
Lion Safari - Woburn
Tiger - YWP
Okapi - Wild Place
 
Or to put it differently if it is more useful:

Chester - 7 wins
YWP - 3 wins
Whipsnade - 3 wins
Woburn - 3 wins
Highland - 3 wins
Wild Place - 2 wins
Edinburgh - 1 win
Jersey - 1 win
Howletts - 1 win
Marwell - 1 win
Longleat - 1 win
Cotswold - 1 win
Hamerton - 1 win
Colchester - 1 (joint) win
Blackpool - 1 (joint) win

:)
 
If you also look at total number of votes for each collection so far the order is:

Chester: 236
Whipsnade: 115
YWP: 88
Highland: 80
Wild Place: 60
Longleat: 57
Colchester: 48
Cotswold: 42
Marwell: 39
Woburn: 36
Edinburgh: 33
Blackpool: 27
London: 26
Jersey: 21
Howletts: 21
Knowsley: 17
Hamerton: 15
Port Lympne: 13
Twycross: 13
Paignton: 12
WMSP: 11
Monkey World: 9
Noah's Ark: 9
Africa Alive: 9
Wildwood: 8
Blair Drummond: 4
Dudley: 4
Flamingo Land: 3
Banham: 2
Folly Farm: 2
Belfast: 1
Chessington: 1
Five Sisters: 1
Dartmoor: 1
Thrigby: 1
 
What might be interesting is average votes per poll in which a zoo was eligible to compete or percentage of polls won
 
What might be interesting is average votes per poll in which a zoo was eligible to compete or percentage of polls won

This is the percentage of votes gained per poll each collection took part in so far. Of course it is not a perfect comparison between zoos and safari parks.

Highland: 50%
Chester: 42%
Wild Place: 32%
Woburn: 30%
YWP: 27%
Whipsnade: 26%
Cotswold: 25%
Longleat: 22%
Jersey: 22%
Hamerton: 22%
Edinburgh: 15%
Marwell: 14%
London: 11%
Blackpool: 10%
Knowsley: 10%
Wildwood: 10%
Colchester: 9%
Monkey World: 9%
Howletts: 8%
Twycross: 6%
Noah's Ark: 6%
Africa Alive: 6%
Paignton: 5%
WMSP: 5%
Port Lympne: 4%

All the rest have an average of less than 3%.
 
2) A large onshow indoor paddock with offshow housing elsewhere in the house

I shall have to make a point of looking at the indoor space next time I visit as this seems to be what sets the enclosure apart from others - can't say it has registered with me on our previous visits but I mostly recall viewing the Okapi outside.
 
Congratulations to Wild Place on narrowly winning the vote for Best UK Okapi enclosure. It was an extremely close contest with Wild Place beating Chester by 1 vote in the end.

It appears that the gap was largely closed by new votes, rather than people who had already voted changing their vote - which does rather make me wonder whether many of those who had already voted looked at the thread at all afterwards :P
 
It appears that the gap was largely closed by new votes, rather than people who had already voted changing their vote - which does rather make me wonder whether many of those who had already voted looked at the thread at all afterwards :p

Yes, you're right I think only 1 person changed their vote. I have no idea if people checked the thread again after voting although I'm sure some did and kept their original decision. All I can say is people can message me after polls have closed to vote or change their vote and if this changes the overall result I will mention it as it did with the Gorilla category.
 
It appears that the gap was largely closed by new votes, rather than people who had already voted changing their vote - which does rather make me wonder whether many of those who had already voted looked at the thread at all afterwards :p

I did, but too late. I did remember what Chester's exhibit for okapis looked like from last time I went, but your post would have made me seriously reconsider my vote (as they always do, in the Zoochat cup and here alike) :)
 
It appears that the gap was largely closed by new votes, rather than people who had already voted changing their vote - which does rather make me wonder whether many of those who had already voted looked at the thread at all afterwards :p
Not necessarily, maybe people were still convinced Wild Place was the best and hadn't as you suggested based their vote purely on photos?! That is after all what they would have been doing had they voted for Chester based on your photos surely?
 
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Not necessarily, maybe people were still convinced Wild Place was the best and hadn't as you suggested based their vote purely on photos?! That is after all what they would have been doing had they voted for Chester based on your photos surely?

Oh, I don't just mean Wild Place voters - I mean that as far as I can tell, literally no one other than @Ned changed their vote (no matter which collection they initially voted for) and the Chester votes were therefore otherwise all new, which surprised me as one would have expected a twofold increase in votes to be driven by both new voters and conversions.

Also, given the fact my post comprised rather a significant amount of text as well as photographs, I think it is a little disingenuous to suggest anyone swayed by my post was "basing their vote purely on photos" and doing what I had advised against :P
 
Oh, I don't just mean Wild Place voters - I mean that as far as I can tell, literally no one other than @Ned changed their vote (no matter which collection they initially voted for) and the Chester votes were therefore otherwise all new, which surprised me as one would have expected a twofold increase in votes to be driven by both new voters and conversions.

Also, given the fact my post comprised rather a significant amount of text as well as photographs, I think it is a little disingenuous to suggest anyone swayed by my post was "basing their vote purely on photos" and doing what I had advised against :p
We'll have to disagree on this as usual! I don't see why your post had the right to change anyone's vote, although perhaps it persuaded a few waverers! I would also suggest your original post claiming Wild Place voters hadn't seen the exhibit or were anti Chester was far more disingenuous than my suggestion and possibly a reason no one changed as you expected!
No one is anti Chester, it is the best zoo in the UK, but that doesn't mean ALL its exhibits are the best and have a divine right to win every time!
I've voted for Chester 4 times because I believe those 4 exhibits were the best, you seem to vote Chester any time it has a sniff of winning, but not when it is a hopeless cause! (although maybe giraffe is!)
Edit : I see you have now changed your Chester giraffe vote!
 
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I've voted for Chester 4 times because I believe those 4 exhibits were the best, you seem to vote Chester any time it has a sniff of winning, but not when it is a hopeless cause!

And yet I championed Hamerton over Chester for cheetahs, at a point when Chester was actually in the lead for that particular contest; I seem to recall you used this as a reason to complain bitterly when the Clouded Leopard vote didn't go your way ;)

you seem to vote Chester any time it has a sniff of winning, but not when it is a hopeless cause!

Ever think that this might be because when it has "a sniff of winning" it is because the exhibit in question deserves to do so? You basically just said "you seem to vote Chester any time you think it has the best exhibit, but not when you don't", you know........
 
And yet I championed Hamerton over Chester for cheetahs, at a point when Chester was actually in the lead for that particular contest; I seem to recall you used this as a reason to complain bitterly when the Clouded Leopard vote didn't go your way ;)



Ever think that this might be because when it has "a sniff of winning" it is because the exhibit in question deserves to do so? You basically just said "you seem to vote Chester any time you think it has the best exhibit, but not when you don't", you know........
No point in carrying on with this, you are actually wrong for once! I voted Cotswold for Clouded Leopard :p!
My point is proved by you voting for Chester on giraffe! You've abandoned it now you realise it can't win despite very little argument that could have persuaded you to change.
This is the last I will say on this!
 
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No point in carrying on with this, you are actually wrong for once! I voted Cotswold for Clouded Leopard :p!
My point is proved by you voting for Chester on giraffe! You've abandoned it now you realise it can't win despite very little argument that could have persuaded you to change.
This is the last I will say on this!

Interesting that you claim your opinion is unbiased and yet I’ve lost count of the number of times you’ve openly claimed Chester isn’t that great and that it only wins because the votes are fixed in their favour....? Not just in this challenge but in other games that pit zoos against one another....hmmm.
 
Interesting that you claim your opinion is unbiased and yet I’ve lost count of the number of times you’ve openly claimed Chester isn’t that great and that it only wins because the votes are fixed in their favour....? Not just in this challenge but in other games that pit zoos against one another....hmmm.
Well it does not not appear your mates opinions are unbiased, I have not accused anyone of Chester bias until now in these contests and that was only after being accused of being anti Chester by one of its devotees! If I was anti Chester I would never vote for Chester, I've said it is the best zoo in the UK, I think you lot have to accept just because Chester is the best it doesn't mean everything about it is the best surely?
I think @TeaLovingDave initial post was questioning both people's integrity and intelligence.
 
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No point in carrying on with this, you are actually wrong for once! I voted Cotswold for Clouded Leopard :p!

Which makes the fact you complained about people voting for CWP over Howletts even more pointless......

that was only after being accused of being anti Chester by one of its devotees!

Precisely where did I do that? :rolleyes:

And considering the fact six of the people voting for Wild Place have never visited the UK, let alone Wild Place, I don't think it is particularly disingenuous or insulting to suggest (as I did in my OP) that people might have been relying purely on how new the exhibit was and the single photograph provided.

But in any case, we are agreed on one point - there's really no point in continuing this silly little spat :)
 
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