Are These in Captivity?

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ThylacineAlive said:
That's interesting, I, too, was under the impression all ex-situ Fiji iguana populations were the result of illegal exports. Good to hear otherwise.
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To be clear, I'm only saying that it is not correct to say that "Fiji Banded Iguanas have also never legally been exported" - I have no idea what minority of the non-Fiji captive population is actually legal.

(I just had a look to see if the photo I had of the breeding-for-export signage in the Kula Eco-Park gallery was still there, but it is not).
 
Chlidonias said:
To be clear, I'm only saying that it is not correct to say that "Fiji Banded Iguanas have also never legally been exported" - I have no idea what minority of the non-Fiji captive population is actually legal.

(I just had a look to see if the photo I had of the breeding-for-export signage in the Kula Eco-Park gallery was still there, but it is not).
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Yeah I know, I was just also under the impression that ALL of the ex-situ animals were illegal. Glad to hear there is some cooperation now with the Fijian government. I'd imagine the private trade populations in Europe and American probably have entirely shady backgrounds.

~Thylo
 
ThylacineAlive said:
Yeah I know, I was just also under the impression that ALL of the ex-situ animals were illegal. Glad to hear there is some cooperation now with the Fijian government. I'd imagine the private trade populations in Europe and American probably have entirely shady backgrounds.
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It would probably be more correct to say "Glad to hear there was some cooperation with the Fijian government in specific cases." The exports would have been to only specific zoos - indeed possibly only within the Australasian region - and with specific arrangements attached (e.g. the animals still being the property of Fiji). Zoos in general (outside of Australasia) haven't exactly done themselves any favours in this regard with knowingly obtaining iguanas that came from illegal origins.
 
Did also some research and the first legaly exported Fijian crested iguanas were 3 (1.2 ) animals bred at the Orchid Island Cultural Center ( Fiji ) and send to Sydney Taronga Zoo in Feb. 1984.
All 3 were unrelated to eachother and 2 ( 1.1 ) hatched in 1981 and the second female had hatched in 1979.
August 1985 the first young hatched and after this first breeding outside its native home a lot more were bred :).
Found also a Husbandry Manual for this species which contains a lot of intresting information :

https://aszk.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Reptiles.-Fijian-Crested-Iguana-2007DR.pdf
 
I want just to point, that numbers of Fiji iguanas in private hands are now so high, that ones in zoos are insignificant compared to both wild and captive populations.

I think the CITES does not work very well for many hobbyist species kept alive (although it may work better for animals traded in large numbers as food etc). Zoos and conservationists should concentrate on civilizing the trade and promoting breeding. Blank large scale prohibitions (all reptiles from a given group, all animals from Galapagos etc.) do not work well in practice.
 
vogelcommando said:
Another ( famous ) example is the Spix macaw. Not a single Spix macaw has ever been exported legaly from Brazil but evenso the illegal birds have bred quite succesfull in the Philippines, Switzerland, Qatar, Spain and Germany and saved the species in this way !
If I've understand everything right all (?*) birds are now officialy owned by the Brazilian gouverment and the places were they are kept ( ACTP, Pairi Daiza and ( still ? ) Jurong )
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Afaik Jurong pair of Spix were sent back to Brazil, leaving only ACTP and Paira Daiza as 'official' holders outside Brazil. As to Swiss illegal holders- a mystery still.
 
Why are Black Howler (Alouatta caraya) and to a lesser extent Venezuelan Red Howler (Alouatta seniculus) more or less the only howler monkeys in zoos outside Latin America? Export laws?
 
RatioTile said:
Why are Black Howler (Alouatta caraya) and to a lesser extent Venezuelan Red Howler (Alouatta seniculus) more or less the only howler monkeys in zoos outside Latin America? Export laws?
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No, they're just the species which have hung around in captivity long-term. You will find there are literally thousands of animals you can ask these same questions for but the answer is simply that a captive population never persisted for them while it did for others. Sometimes a taxa's phasing-out of zoos is purposeful, sometimes programs just fail, and sometimes there just isn't enough interest in importing more to keep them going long-term.

~Thylo
 
Where in Australia are thorny devils kept? I know Alice Springs Reptile Park and Melbourne Museum have them, but are there any in the Sydney area or Queensland?
 
Are there zoos with permanent displays for solifugids/camel spiders? I have yet to see a live one, and I hear they for some reason tend to die easily in the pet trade.
 
RatioTile said:
Where in Australia are thorny devils kept? I know Alice Springs Reptile Park and Melbourne Museum have them, but are there any in the Sydney area or Queensland?
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Jakub said:
In 2017 I also saw this unique creature in Alice Springs Desert Park.
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WhistlingKite24 said:
Cleland Wildlife Park, in South Australia had Thorny Devil as of December 2019 [mentioned in the first post of this thread: Cleland Wildlife Park News [Cleland Wildlife Park]].
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The Alice Springs Desert Park has about twenty of them; Melbourne Museum has two; Cleland has one. That's all of them, as far as I am aware.
 
How Melbourne Museum feeds their thorny devils? I read on this forum that they eat only specific ants found in the desert center of Australia. If they can eat other ants (which I think is very likely) they could be kept abroad.

Thorny devils are fascinating, although they will always be of very niche interest (horned lizards Phrynosoma look similar but are not popular in zoos).
 
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