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To answer your last question:

Very easily. Just as the zoos did when there was no A.I ..... Do I have to explain how that worked? (good example of sarcasm) It's unbelievable how the zoos managed to make a lot of bisons, european bisons and Milus out of just a few specimens, even in the nineteenth century, all without A.I. And at Basel Zoo even indian rhinos have bred successfully without this modern way of producing animals, in Frankfurt apes have bred like rabbits, elephants in Hanover - and they still do.And if I'm not allowed to use irnonie or even sarcasm in an internet forum, or just because it could not be understood (that's why I pointed out at the end of my post that it's Irnoie), then it's always going down with this modern society.
 
Do I have to explain that the way of breeding elephants is a little different than that of bisons or deer (the time of gestation to name one example)?
There were imports of Indian Rhinos from Nepal although Basel had breeding success. Wonder why.
It could debatted if the initial situation as a coordinated breeding of Asian Elephants has started was the same as we now have with African Elephants (number of individuals - female and male - in breeding age, etc.)
"should not" doesn't mean "not allowed", feel free to do so if you are happy with it...
 
.No, there is no difference, because the basic biological requirements for breeding are the same for elephants and bison. There are differences only with respect to the elephant more elaborate husbandry facilities and a different breeding management. The duration of pregnancy does not matter. Of course, it takes longer for a cute elephant baby to be born, and as a result, the stock will grow more slowly, but A.I. has no influence on that either. You can, of course, inseminate the cows that are not covered by the bull ... which also happens in nature, but zoos are known to have nothing to do with nature.If you had a closer look at the breeding history of Indian rhinos in captivity in general, and in Basel in particular, you would not have to wonder about the additional wildlife imports ... And there is a big difference to African elephants in captivity. Between 1947 and 1978 only four pairs were imported to Europe, which successfully reproduced themselves, Basel got its pair in 1951/52 and began breeding in 1956, and from 1963 also the inbreeding, which unfortunately was unavoidable in order to increase the stock, what could not fall back on wild catches, nor on offspring. But for inbred stocks, there are 100 other examples. Inbreeding has not had a negative impact on the Indian rhinos. In total, four different inbred lines were established in Basel. 9 animals were sold to the USA. In the meantime, these lines no longer play any role in today's breeding. Between 1948 and 2007, the USA received 19.18, of which 10.6 were offspring. The breed started late, only in 1974. And from these two populations, today's stock has developed outside of Asia. Between 1990 and 1997, another 2.7 came to Europe, including 6 wild catches. From the USA came several, with the European population not or only very little related animals. Thanks to these successful measures, over 250 rhinos are now kept in captivity, the stock is healthy and growing continuously. A.I? Absolutely unnecessary - the Americans just want to prove how great they can save in such a technical but questionable way endangered animals ...In your opinion, how exactly should A.I help to improve the current more than just bad situation of African elephants? Should this serve a faster increase of a breedable stock? Or something to improve the gene reserve effect, since one also uses seeds of wild bull elephant? Well, neither breeding nor inbreeding has been and still is the problem of the management of African elephants in captivity, but also the apparent inability of the responsible, to get cows into a breeding situation, that is to bring them to a bull, and to exchange them in due time, so it just can not come to inbreeding. It's that simple ... Now, over 140 years ago, the zoos have been pushing to breed successful African elephants, and have held them until the mid-1990s only for exhibition purposes. Why breed, if it was so easy to get elephants from Africa? And you did not have to keep a dangerous bull elephant, whose welfare also cost a lot of money. Had the population been managed as well as the Indian rhinos at that time, today you would have a successful breeding-completely independent of unnecessary gimmicks like A.I.Unfortunately, this seemingly inexhaustible source Africa has dried up, and now the zoos have to breed in order to be able to maintain the species. That actually worked in the beginning, but unfortunately so much went wrong within the breeding programs, which have brought about the current situation. A.I does not help either, because even elephants, like all animals, are in a position to provide offspring by themselfs, if they are left. They have proved that in the past, and that works even today, as in Wuppertal, where they exchanged the bull in time, or in San Diego. But thanks to A.I you have even brought to a naturally successful breeding bulls, which he no longer is mating, since he had to serve regularly as a sperm donor - he has probably lost the lust, literally. And believe me to have to act as a sperm donor, is neither for elephants, nor rhinos pleasant and life-threatening yet. You already realize that the animals must be placed in general anesthesia? And every vet and pet gardener tries to avoid it, unless it is necessary for medical reasons? Any anesthetic puts a lot of strain on your circulation, and it's especially risky for high-risk elephants; not a few elephants died during anesthesia, or shortly thereafter.
Rhinos of course, too. However, neither semen collection nor hoof corrections on wild horse species caused by husbandry faults justified this risk, which is unacceptable to the animal. A rhinoceros bull already paid for the semen collection with his life. That would be like putting people under anesthesia for nail-cutting. Some zoos are shirking their responsibilities, especially in the US, where even in Miami recently a rhinoceros was "conceived" using artificial oocyte implantation-that's not normal anymore .... In America, the stocks of males were reduced, becuase they to using the "Frozen Zoo for breeding.Well, the Sumatran rhinoceros did not save that, but the seemingly outmoded, old-fashioned natural jump has done that several times.A.I is not the miracle cure everybody is looking for, but the definitely wrong way, not just for elephants.It only causes further problems, such as a surplus of bulls, and costs a lot of money, especially if you import expensive seeds from Africa. I hope that the cloning of mammals is perfect in the years to come. Nobody needs male animals anymore, and terms like inbreeding coefficient or genetic diversity are a thing of the past. (Attention, the last sentence is ironic)
 
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.No, there is no difference, because the basic biological requirements for breeding are the same for elephants and bison. There are differences only with respect to the elephant more elaborate husbandry facilities and a different breeding management. The duration of pregnancy does not matter. Of course, it takes longer for a cute elephant baby to be born, and as a result, the stock will grow more slowly, but A.I. has no influence on that either. You can, of course, inseminate the cows that are not covered by the bull ... which also happens in nature, but zoos are known to have nothing to do with nature.If you had a closer look at the breeding history of Indian rhinos in captivity in general, and in Basel in particular, you would not have to wonder about the additional wildlife imports ... And there is a big difference to African elephants in captivity. Between 1947 and 1978 only four pairs were imported to Europe, which successfully reproduced themselves, Basel got its pair in 1951/52 and began breeding in 1956, and from 1963 also the inbreeding, which unfortunately was unavoidable in order to increase the stock, what could not fall back on wild catches, nor on offspring. But for inbred stocks, there are 100 other examples. Inbreeding has not had a negative impact on the Indian rhinos. In total, four different inbred lines were established in Basel. 9 animals were sold to the USA. In the meantime, these lines no longer play any role in today's breeding. Between 1948 and 2007, the USA received 19.18, of which 10.6 were offspring. The breed started late, only in 1974. And from these two populations, today's stock has developed outside of Asia. Between 1990 and 1997, another 2.7 came to Europe, including 6 wild catches. From the USA came several, with the European population not or only very little related animals. Thanks to these successful measures, over 250 rhinos are now kept in captivity, the stock is healthy and growing continuously. A.I? Absolutely unnecessary - the Americans just want to prove how great they can save in such a technical but questionable way endangered animals ...In your opinion, how exactly should A.I help to improve the current more than just bad situation of African elephants? Should this serve a faster increase of a breedable stock? Or something to improve the gene reserve effect, since one also uses seeds of wild bull elephant? Well, neither breeding nor inbreeding has been and still is the problem of the management of African elephants in captivity, but also the apparent inability of the responsible, to get cows into a breeding situation, that is to bring them to a bull, and to exchange them in due time, so it just can not come to inbreeding. It's that simple ... Now, over 140 years ago, the zoos have been pushing to breed successful African elephants, and have held them until the mid-1990s only for exhibition purposes. Why breed, if it was so easy to get elephants from Africa? And you did not have to keep a dangerous bull elephant, whose welfare also cost a lot of money. Had the population been managed as well as the Indian rhinos at that time, today you would have a successful breeding-completely independent of unnecessary gimmicks like A.I.Unfortunately, this seemingly inexhaustible source Africa has dried up, and now the zoos have to breed in order to be able to maintain the species. That actually worked in the beginning, but unfortunately so much went wrong within the breeding programs, which have brought about the current situation. A.I does not help either, because even elephants, like all animals, are in a position to provide offspring by themselfs, if they are left. They have proved that in the past, and that works even today, as in Wuppertal, where they exchanged the bull in time, or in San Diego. But thanks to A.I you have even brought to a naturally successful breeding bulls, which he no longer is mating, since he had to serve regularly as a sperm donor - he has probably lost the lust, literally. And believe me to have to act as a sperm donor, is neither for elephants, nor rhinos pleasant and life-threatening yet. You already realize that the animals must be placed in general anesthesia? And every vet and pet gardener tries to avoid it, unless it is necessary for medical reasons? Any anesthetic puts a lot of strain on your circulation, and it's especially risky for high-risk elephants; not a few elephants died during anesthesia, or shortly thereafter.
Rhinos of course, too. However, neither semen collection nor hoof corrections on wild horse species caused by husbandry faults justified this risk, which is unacceptable to the animal. A rhinoceros bull already paid for the semen collection with his life. That would be like putting people under anesthesia for nail-cutting. Some zoos are shirking their responsibilities, especially in the US, where even in Miami recently a rhinoceros was "conceived" using artificial oocyte implantation-that's not normal anymore .... In America, the stocks of males were reduced, becuase they to using the "Frozen Zoo for breeding.Well, the Sumatran rhinoceros did not save that, but the seemingly outmoded, old-fashioned natural jump has done that several times.A.I is not the miracle cure everybody is looking for, but the definitely wrong way, not just for elephants.It only causes further problems, such as a surplus of bulls, and costs a lot of money, especially if you import expensive seeds from Africa. I hope that the cloning of mammals is perfect in the years to come. Nobody needs male animals anymore, and terms like inbreeding coefficient or genetic diversity are a thing of the past. (Attention, the last sentence is ironic)
Lots of zoos, especially in America, have elephant bulls, but have no cows suitable for breeding (Jacksonville, Granby, Hemmingford, Knoxville, Los Angeles ...). Furthermore, there are zoos that only have cows suitable for breeding, but can not get any bull (Pittsburgh, Montgomery, Indianapolis ...). I think American zoos are not working together. If some zoos gave up a bull who does not have a breeding opportunity and placed it to zoos with breeding cows, the elephant population would start to flourish. In Europe, elephant breeding is quite organized, so here is a little better.
 
The name is now chosen for the baby elephant. Three suggestions are available:
- Dunia (swahili ,,welt")
- Kibali (River in the Democratic Republic of the Congo)
- Phinda (suitable for the Phinda Reserve - say "Pinda")

My favorite is Kibali.;)
 
in the new enclosure

Being there once a month since March, I for god's sake couldn't understand how are the enclosures separated with all those giant holes in the rockwork...when I saw it closed in October and understood how it works, I was really surprised :D

Also, speaking of Vienna, does anyone have an idea what is going on with the nocturnal section of Tropical house? It is closed for quite some time now, do they have any plans with it?
 
From Facebook

‼ Tiergarten closed until April 3. ‼
As a preventive measure to reduce infections by the coronavirus (Covid-19), the Federal Ministry of Digitization and Economic Location closes the Schönbrunn and all museums in its scope of the decree of the Federal Ministry of Social Affairs, Health, Care and Consumer Protection. April 2020. The primary goal is to protect the public health.


Well that's my trip cancelled then
 
Good news!! 2 mhorr gazelles were born at the end of March.:):) Also, 12 flamingo chicks have hatched since the start of April. A ring-tailed Lemur was born on March 21st.Now some not so good news: There will not be Panda Babies for this year at the zoo and water buffalo Otto was put down on March 23rd.:(:(
 
A Pygmy marmoset baby was born on April 2nd to Timida and Goliath. They also have four other offspring who are helping them care for the new baby.


Six Black tailed prairie dogs were born in mid April.


Male water buffalo Joschi moved to National Park Neusiedler See Seewinkel to become a breeding bull there.

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An Eurasian Lynx was born on May 27th.


On July 2nd, a male South American Sea Lion was born to Mama Peaches.


Earlier in the year, 2 male reindeer calves were born. They have been named Snorre and Sippo. They are already with the group and their antlers are growing up.

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