There are at least some normal pets that are exotic, like chinchillas and rabbits.
Most exotic animals seen on the pet trade
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Interesting read. Really scary stuff about finger monkeys and
wolfdogs.
There are other animals such as aye-ayes, pangolins and pink fairy armadillos.
You can buy a male Egyptian rousette bat for $1,000, a female for $1,600 or a pair for $4,000. I wonder how much it costs for a maths course.
You can buy a male Egyptian rousette bat for $1,000, a female for $1,600 or a pair for $4,000. I wonder how much it costs for a maths course.
I think that for "obvious" animals, like for your cat thread, then the reports might generally be accurate - even roadside zoo owners and USDA inspectors probably know a lion from a tiger from a puma - but very clearly, from what was written on the linked thread, for the non-ABC zoo animals the reports are by no stretch accurate enough to be considered reliable.
Discussion starting here: List of rarest species in US?
Photo here also: Suspected Northern Tamandua at Aggieland Safari - ZooChat
A few years ago I recall seeing pangolins (I believe they were tree/white-bellied pangolins) for sale for around $7,500. They were imports from Africa. Do you know if there have been any more recent listings?
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Not to mention that every zoo suddenly has a hazel dormouse. Are there any here?The USDA lists include a number of misidentified holdings, and list animals by common name which can make species verification difficult. I think they work best when cross-referenced with other sources so that one gets a consistent picture - not unlike many other resources. It's too bad there's oftentimes not many other sources to verify with...
Even so, there is another issue as it relates to the Northern Tamandua: if the collection thinks their animals are Northern Tamandua, most likely the inspectors will list them as such - even if that identification is wrong. True confirmation would have to come from import/pedigree documents or from visual identification by someone familiar with the genus.
Based on the name and location, I assume it's a company that sources animals for film production - perhaps we can root out what movies the anteater has done cameos in and have someone verify based on that?
I came across this too. I find it so sad the amount of primates being sold there
Exotic Animals For Sale
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Why is it creepy? These are legally obtained animals, I see no reason why someone shouldn't obtain them if they can correctly care for the animal.
The listings for Aye-Ayes, pangolins and fairy armadillos are just people asking about them, not actual animals you can buy.
I disagree, as the majority of many animals in the private trade (Egyptian fruit bats, for example) end up not being correctly cared. There may be some people who can legitimately care for them properly, but without a functional mechanism for separating out them from amateurs who don't know what they're doing - or a mechanism for ensuring animal welfare is met - I think the cons outweigh the pros for a large number of species in private trade.
That may be a discussion for a different thread, though.
What makes chinchillas and rabbits exotic? They seem pretty commonplace to me.
"Northern" Tamanduas are being imported to the US the same way "mountain" coatis are. What I find more often than not is animals listed as Northern Tamandua look exactly like the unstriped subspecies of Southern (nigra, as seen in the Aggieland photo). This subspecies is the most northern of the Southern Tamanduas, and is the one present in Guyana where most South American pet trade imports come from afaik. If the animal is unstriped, it's a T. t. nigra, not a true Northern Tamandua. That said, there seem to be at least a couple of animals such as Southwicks' (who obtained theirs from the now-closed LEO Zoo Conservation Center here in CT) which look like the typical Southern/Northern. These are the animals whose origins are more mysterious to me.
I find it funny that every few months or so someone on this thread "discovers" this site and reposts it, even though the vast majority of exotic listings discussed here came from that website
While I do agree with you here, I've noticed a lot of the more uncommonly held species listed on that website have notices posted by the sellers that they will only sell to those holding proper permits and/or with experience with exotic animal husbandry. Could all be for show, though, we'll never know. It's clear some animals from there do end up in smaller zoos, though.
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That’s what I thought when I saw it.
Nothing. People just post them there. Posting them isn't against the rules, so they stay listed.
I'm surprised many of you haven't seen that website before. It's where I find most of the animals I post on this thread. You can often find USDA Licensed Facilities (like Educational Outreach Organizations) posting animals for sale, so most of the activity is legal. If people were selling things illegally it wouldn't be hard to track down, it's the first website that shows up if you look up "wild/exotic animals for sale."
All the animals legitimately posted for sale on that thread are legal, at least within certain states and with proper permits.
~Thylo
The same argument be made for all pets, regardless of how "exotic" they seem.
I agree with @birdsandbats to some degree, although, I don't think many people have the means to care for some types of animals (any primates, big cats, bears, pachyderms, Cape Buffalo, large crocodiles, Gharials, Black Caimans, Komodo Dragons, marine mammals), like @Coelacanth18 said.
You could, but I don't think of it as being an "all or nothing" type of question. The likelihood of private individuals improperly caring for exotic species like non-human primates or bats is higher than for widely kept, domesticated animals like cats or dogs (which is along the lines of what @Fignewton just said). That also circles back to my language about pros and cons, a calculus which varies by species.
Make note of my talk about legal mechanisms also - I'm not against private trade of animals completely, but I do have concern about their welfare and I'm open to many animals being prohibited from that trade if there is evidence the majority suffer from improper care.
AFAIK, Gharials, Komodo Dragons, and marine mammals are not available in the private trade. Also keep in mind that we aren't talking about people keeping animals in apartments here, there are many private owners who have large tracts of lands and can keep many of these species successfully. I've been to a lot of privately-owned zoos and many manage to keep these species listed successfully.
The majority of guinea pigs in human care suffer. Would you be for banning them?